AVItom Posted March 6, 2011 Posted March 6, 2011 I agree. Theres no doubt that there are people at both Universitys that know or have an ideal what is most likely to happen. These people are not talking and keeping it quiet. I doubt a student at any level is in on this information and if he does happen to know the right person and involved in the conversation then Id bet that they would be highly disappointed he was on a internet forum discussing it.
LU Cardinal Posted March 6, 2011 Posted March 6, 2011 I don't care who he is I just hope hes 100% correct. It would be awesome to keep our rivalry with SHSU in conference and it would also help with travel expenses in the WAC having the Bearkats, Bobcats and Roadrunners all in conference. This and renewing our old rivalry with LA Tech sound awesome to me.
coachacola Posted March 6, 2011 Posted March 6, 2011 The new MWC is the old WAC and the new WAC is the old SLC!
Guest PNG1992 Posted March 6, 2011 Posted March 6, 2011 coachacola wrote: The new MWC is the old WAC and the new WAC is the old SLC! Thats true. I know it'll NEVER happen but how ideal would it be to have a new "SWC" type conference with Lamar included? LU, Texas State, UTSA, UNT, Rice, LA Tech, SHSU & McNeese would be a hell of a fun conference. Again, I KNOW UNT & Rice aren't going anywhere and McNeese hasn't shown interest in being FBS, but from a pure fan perspective this conference would be great. Can't we dream? ;)
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 6, 2011 Posted March 6, 2011 PNG1992 wrote: coachacola wrote: The new MWC is the old WAC and the new WAC is the old SLC! Thats true. I know it'll NEVER happen but how ideal would it be to have a new "SWC" type conference with Lamar included? LU, Texas State, UTSA, UNT, Rice, LA Tech, SHSU & McNeese would be a hell of a fun conference. Again, I KNOW UNT & Rice aren't going anywhere and McNeese hasn't shown interest in being FBS, but from a pure fan perspective this conference would be great. Can't we dream? ;) I do every day. :laugh: I agree I think BearKat25 was sometype of student president at SHSU. At Lamar we all know the administration is very tight lipped. I don't really know how SHSU operates. I think it's possible for a student in the right places to have heard something. I work in the Dean's office so I don't get as much inside information as the president's assistant could. The president's assistant was the student who showed me what the new website would look like. Unfortunately all the president's assistants are females and don't know what the WAC or SLC is. Maybe there are students at Lamar that have overheard things but they aren't ivolved enough in this community to know what it means. I would really like to hear from BK25 about why he is so confident about LU and SHSU, a few days ago he was saying he had no idea if we would accept.
jdcurran235 Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 I really just think he is running his mouth on the scout board to get a rise out of people. Noone is saying anything yet. Noone has even said that April 1 is the official day that an invite is going to happen.
Guest bigred360 Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 JD, I agree with you as a month ago he was posting on katfans trying to get them excited about going FBS. A lot of their alumni are happy as a FCS program.
coachacola Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 I think the WAC is going for 12 football schools plus Denver and Seattle for all other sports. Someone brought this up on the WAC board and the more I think about it the more it makes sense. For football that's 5 divisional games (not much travel), but for the other sports like basketball that's even more divisional games and that really cuts down travel costs. It also gives the WAC breathing room if schools defect. The only question is what western schools will ultimately join for football?
Bull42 Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 I am a McNeese grad from 1982. You LU fans make me laugh.I hope you remember when you had a football team 20 years ago.I remember you getting beat by everybody.No one came to home games.Losing all the time kept people away.Now you have football back.Now you want to join the WAC.Heck,you cannot even compete in the SLC.You will be at the bottom of the WAC for many Years. You will be every body's homecoming game. I hope you think long and hard about this. You just might be in the same boat again.
coachacola Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 These kinds of post always comes from fans of schools that know their schools will never have the money to join a FBS conference.
LU Cardinal Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Bull42 wrote: I am a McNeese grad from 1982. You LU fans make me laugh.I hope you remember when you had a football team 20 years ago.I remember you getting beat by everybody.No one came to home games.Losing all the time kept people away.Now you have football back.Now you want to join the WAC.Heck,you cannot even compete in the SLC.You will be at the bottom of the WAC for many Years. You will be every body's homecoming game. I hope you think long and hard about this. You just might be in the same boat again. See you in Beaumont in a few months Cowboy.
AVItom Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Do I detect concern or Jealousy?? Just because McNeece has accepted their fate that the best they will ever be is middle tier in SLC dont mean LU has to follow suite. Id rather be bottom of the barrel in the WAC rather than toddling around the SLC watching the big boys play outside.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Bull42 wrote: I am a McNeese grad from 1982. You LU fans make me laugh.I hope you remember when you had a football team 20 years ago.I remember you getting beat by everybody.No one came to home games.Losing all the time kept people away.Now you have football back.Now you want to join the WAC.Heck,you cannot even compete in the SLC.You will be at the bottom of the WAC for many Years. You will be every body's homecoming game. I hope you think long and hard about this. You just might be in the same boat again. Sounds like you're a poor student of history. Just because that happened in the 80's doesn't mean it will happen now. I could list 10 reasons why today's football landscape is completely different than the 80's but I don't really care to because I know you're just trying to stir up trouble with comments like these and as a Cardinal I'm too smart for it cowboy! :laugh:
Guest bigred360 Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 You guys want to keep playing these guys. Talk about living in the past. Wow. Different day, time and leadership. They will never vote to kill the football program again.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 There has been alot of talk on the message boards about the WAC wanting to go to 12 - 14 schools. Assuming Seattle and Lamar are added, who can the WAC grab to get to 12 or 14? I don't see very many options out there. That's probably good news, the WAC invite of Lamar if it does come will have alot to do with LU being one of the only Football schools actively pursuing FBS.
coachacola Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Update from the San Antonio paper: That would seemingly leave the FCS, where two Big Sky Conference sources recently told me they’d be somewhere between surprised and shocked if any of its schools left, including Montana and Montana State. Then there’s Lamar, which D.S. said was mentioned only in passing at the San Antonio meeting. “Lamar was discussed, but the decision was made to hold off on that for now and start with the FBS schools,” D.S. said. One report indicated that Lamar had some sort of contact with the WAC last fall in Dallas, but that was one thing Benson made a definitive comment on during our conversation. “They did not make any presentation,” he said. I have no idea if the Western has indeed moved on to Plan B. But Southland commissioner Tom Burnett said Friday that Benson has agreed to notify him if and/or when any of his schools come under serious consideration. While acknowledging anything is possible, he said that has yet to happen. “No conversation I’ve had (with Benson or any member schools) to any degree makes me believe we’ll have an additional membership issue in the future,” Burnett said. “I qualify that, as always, by saying things could change as soon as tomorrow. But for the time being, Karl hasn’t given me any indication that’s going to happen.” D.S. also doubts anything conclusive has been decided, with Lamar or anyone else, noting that nothing has been brought to the WAC athletic directors yet. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/03/latest-wac-non-news-2/
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 coachacola wrote: Update from the San Antonio paper: That would seemingly leave the FCS, where two Big Sky Conference sources recently told me they’d be somewhere between surprised and shocked if any of its schools left, including Montana and Montana State. Then there’s Lamar, which D.S. said was mentioned only in passing at the San Antonio meeting. “Lamar was discussed, but the decision was made to hold off on that for now and start with the FBS schools,” D.S. said. One report indicated that Lamar had some sort of contact with the WAC last fall in Dallas, but that was one thing Benson made a definitive comment on during our conversation. “They did not make any presentation,” he said. I have no idea if the Western has indeed moved on to Plan B. But Southland commissioner Tom Burnett said Friday that Benson has agreed to notify him if and/or when any of his schools come under serious consideration. While acknowledging anything is possible, he said that has yet to happen. “No conversation I’ve had (with Benson or any member schools) to any degree makes me believe we’ll have an additional membership issue in the future,” Burnett said. “I qualify that, as always, by saying things could change as soon as tomorrow. But for the time being, Karl hasn’t given me any indication that’s going to happen.” D.S. also doubts anything conclusive has been decided, with Lamar or anyone else, noting that nothing has been brought to the WAC athletic directors yet. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/03/latest-wac-non-news-2/ How long can Benson wait? It seems like time is running out to add 2012 members when it's March of 2011. Every moment they wait is a moment a FCS school could be preparing to make the transition.
Guest PNG1992 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 coachacola wrote: Update from the San Antonio paper: That would seemingly leave the FCS, where two Big Sky Conference sources recently told me they’d be somewhere between surprised and shocked if any of its schools left, including Montana and Montana State. Then there’s Lamar, which D.S. said was mentioned only in passing at the San Antonio meeting. “Lamar was discussed, but the decision was made to hold off on that for now and start with the FBS schools,” D.S. said. One report indicated that Lamar had some sort of contact with the WAC last fall in Dallas, but that was one thing Benson made a definitive comment on during our conversation. “They did not make any presentation,” he said. I have no idea if the Western has indeed moved on to Plan B. But Southland commissioner Tom Burnett said Friday that Benson has agreed to notify him if and/or when any of his schools come under serious consideration. While acknowledging anything is possible, he said that has yet to happen. “No conversation I’ve had (with Benson or any member schools) to any degree makes me believe we’ll have an additional membership issue in the future,” Burnett said. “I qualify that, as always, by saying things could change as soon as tomorrow. But for the time being, Karl hasn’t given me any indication that’s going to happen.” D.S. also doubts anything conclusive has been decided, with Lamar or anyone else, noting that nothing has been brought to the WAC athletic directors yet. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/03/latest-wac-non-news-2/ This kind of falls in line with what this site was reporting about the LU/WAC a few weeks ago.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 PNG1992 wrote: coachacola wrote: Update from the San Antonio paper: That would seemingly leave the FCS, where two Big Sky Conference sources recently told me they’d be somewhere between surprised and shocked if any of its schools left, including Montana and Montana State. Then there’s Lamar, which D.S. said was mentioned only in passing at the San Antonio meeting. “Lamar was discussed, but the decision was made to hold off on that for now and start with the FBS schools,” D.S. said. One report indicated that Lamar had some sort of contact with the WAC last fall in Dallas, but that was one thing Benson made a definitive comment on during our conversation. “They did not make any presentation,” he said. I have no idea if the Western has indeed moved on to Plan B. But Southland commissioner Tom Burnett said Friday that Benson has agreed to notify him if and/or when any of his schools come under serious consideration. While acknowledging anything is possible, he said that has yet to happen. “No conversation I’ve had (with Benson or any member schools) to any degree makes me believe we’ll have an additional membership issue in the future,” Burnett said. “I qualify that, as always, by saying things could change as soon as tomorrow. But for the time being, Karl hasn’t given me any indication that’s going to happen.” D.S. also doubts anything conclusive has been decided, with Lamar or anyone else, noting that nothing has been brought to the WAC athletic directors yet. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/03/latest-wac-non-news-2/ This kind of falls in line with what this site was reporting about the LU/WAC a few weeks ago. Yeah, all these updates keep talking about are how no official contact has been made, people would be surprised if so and so left. Basically no one wants to spill the beans until it's a done deal.
Guest bigred360 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Sounds like Benson is looking at other FBS school first but I don't see any other takers. There is no way UNT leaves their current conference. I don't see Arkansas jumping to the WAC. Then there is ULL. They are a possible but I doubt they go without another school for travel issues. I know La Tech is in the conference but they need a couple more schools so there could be a east and west division. Heck, on the WAC board they are talking about UTA!
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 bigred360 wrote: Sounds like Benson is looking at other FBS school first but I don't see any other takers. There is no way UNT leaves their current conference. I don't see Arkansas jumping to the WAC. Then there is ULL. They are a possible but I doubt they go without another school for travel issues. I know La Tech is in the conference but they need a couple more schools so there could be a east and west division. Heck, on the WAC board they are talking about UTA! UTA would be a mistake unless they are going to add Football. UTA really hasn't done anything in the SLC, they are the longest SLC member. ULL would be a possibility but I could honestly see La Tech trying to block something like that. I think Lamar is safe because we're neutral to most people. The western schools don't like our add without something coming in from the west too. Who would be ready for FBS football in the west before Lamar would be ready in the east? Don't see too many options out there. This is the perfect storm for LU to get an FBS invite.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 Here is an interesting discussion of Lamar Basketball on Scout: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=7297828 You could say we have been 'hungry' for a while to move back to the days when we were a power house program.
Guest bigred360 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 CardAmbassador wrote: Here is an interesting discussion of Lamar Basketball on Scout: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=7297828 You could say we have been 'hungry' for a while to move back to the days when we were a power house program. You might mention the 80 game home court win streak. Beating Alabama who was a Top #25 team by 23 pts. Then lost to Villanova 58-60 or we could have had a second trip to the sweet-sixteen. Lost to Duke in the preseason NIT by 4 points and that Blue Devil team had Johnny Dawkins and won the NCAA title that year. Lost in the round of the sweet-sixteen by 8 points after leading much of the game versus Clemson or we are in the elite eight facing a young UCLA team who had Larry Brown as their coach. I honestly think that Lamar team with B.B Davis, Alvin Brooks and Mike Olliver (who finished his career as the 15th All-Time leading scorer in NCAA history and that was before the 3 pt shot in college basketball or he would have had probably another 300-400 pts) versus a UCLA team that was young with mainly freshman and sophomores starting LU could have won at got to the final four. They were that good back then. The late 70's and early 80's were great for Lamar University and I can't tell you how many big-time programs we beat or almost beat. Just thought of another the year we made it to the sweet-sixteen we lost to DePaul in Chicago by 1 point and they were ranked #1 in the country at that time. We beat Villanova in the Montagne Center the year after they won the National Championship.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 bigred360 wrote: CardAmbassador wrote: Here is an interesting discussion of Lamar Basketball on Scout: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=7297828 You could say we have been 'hungry' for a while to move back to the days when we were a power house program. You might mention the 80 game home court win streak. Beating Alabama who was a Top #25 team by 23 pts. Then lost to Villanova 58-60 or we could have had a second trip to the sweet-sixteen. Lost to Duke in the preseason NIT by 4 points and that Blue Devil team had Johnny Dawkins and won the NCAA title that year. Lost in the round of the sweet-sixteen by 8 points after leading much of the game versus Clemson or we are in the elite eight facing a young UCLA team who had Larry Brown as their coach. I honestly think that Lamar team with B.B Davis, Alvin Brooks and Mike Olliver (who finished his career as the 15th All-Time leading scorer in NCAA history and that was before the 3 pt shot in college basketball or he would have had probably another 300-400 pts) versus a UCLA team that was young with mainly freshman and sophomores starting LU could have won at got to the final four. They were that good back then. The late 70's and early 80's were great for Lamar University and I can't tell you how many big-time programs we beat or almost beat. Just thought of another the year we made it to the sweet-sixteen we lost to DePaul in Chicago by 1 point and they were ranked #1 in the country at that time. We beat Villanova in the Montagne Center the year after they won the National Championship. Wow, how far we have fallen, it seemse like we would have at least managed to stay a top 100 team after all that, what a shame. Time to get this next coaching hire right, move to the WAC and reestablish Lamar Basketball!
Guest LU4LIFE Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 Unless Lamar wants to see this program hit rock bottom they better make sure that the next coaching hire is the right one. I agree with you CA it is a shame how far this program has fallen now we need to do whatever it takes to get it back to where it was.
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