Guest Crawfish Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 Guys, I see some down side to this WAC thing that some may not have considered: Travel will be much more expensive. This will require the Cardinals to play more "body bag" games to pay for travel costs. The WAC is not real stable right now. Under current NCAA rules, there is a chance they could lose automatic bids for basketball and other sports because of the lack of tenure of members (if it survives). If the Sunbelt Conference invited one of the future WAC schools, the house of cards will collapse. If La. Tech or one of the other Current D1A members leaves, the whole deal collapses. It is no secret that LA. Tech and other current WAC (western) schools have been campaigning for membership in other conferences. Playing in D1A (FBS?) may sound good, but for a newer program there are some disadvanges such as requiring transfers to sit out 1 season coming. This means that most players will have ot be either high school recruits or JC transfers. More scholarships to fund will raise costs. Personally, I would like to see the Cards play in the Southland for a while.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 Crawfish wrote: Guys, I see some down side to this WAC thing that some may not have considered: Travel will be much more expensive. This will require the Cardinals to play more "body bag" games to pay for travel costs. The WAC is not real stable right now. Under current NCAA rules, there is a chance they could lose automatic bids for basketball and other sports because of the lack of tenure of members (if it survives). If the Sunbelt Conference invited one of the future WAC schools, the house of cards will collapse. If La. Tech or one of the other Current D1A members leaves, the whole deal collapses. It is no secret that LA. Tech and other current WAC (western) schools have been campaigning for membership in other conferences. Playing in D1A (FBS?) may sound good, but for a newer program there are some disadvanges such as requiring transfers to sit out 1 season coming. This means that most players will have ot be either high school recruits or JC transfers. More scholarships to fund will raise costs. Personally, I would like to see the Cards play in the Southland for a while. Actually everything you have said has been debated over for a while on this topic. Travel/body bag games: Lamar has already scheduled body bag games at the FCS level see TAMU, Hawaii and OSU games scheduled, so we are playing those games regardless of what conference we play in. Those games currently pay around 300k per since we are a FCS program. If we go FBS we can expect to get around 1 million for games such as those. That type of increase for playing the same games could go a long way to paying for travel. Also the WAC is going to try and go to divisional play to cut down on travel cost it's no secret. Autobids/Stability: The NCAA has already waived the rules on continuity for the WAC they are doing everything they can to stabilize and protect the WAC. This part is personal opinion but I don't see any WAC schools leaving for the SBC the Sun Belt is not really going anywhere, the new WAC actually has some upside to it. I believe the WAC will rise again to be at least better than the Sun Belt almost immediately after the 2012 season. Transfers/recruitment: your right transfers from other DI programs would have to sit out a year but relying on DI transfers year after year is no way to build a program any way. HS players are the best thing you can get Juco players are only with you two years so the turn around rate is too high. Don't get me wrong right now we need them, but in the future I hope that is different. More Advertising dollars will help offset some cost but your right FBS is more expensive. Lamar will definitely lose money in FBS we already lose money in FCS. But it's not about making money, it's about getting your name on the national level. Thanks for the post many have brought up these same concerns and some agree with you. I'm just offering you some of the solutions to the problems you presented.
Guest bigred360 Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 Nice post CA but I'm getting a little concerned with Beaumont putting in a bid for hosting the SLC basketball tournament. I don't think Beaumont makes a bid without talking with Lamar. I really would like Lamar to go FBS in the near future because for all the points you made and then some.
Guest LU4LIFE Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 bigred360 wrote: Nice post CA but I'm getting a little concerned with Beaumont putting in a bid for hosting the SLC basketball tournament. I don't think Beaumont makes a bid without talking with Lamar. I really would like Lamar to go FBS in the near future because for all the points you made and then some. I'm concerned too it just doesn't seem to make sense to me if Lamar wasn't competing for it, but then again it would a good way to draw visitors to Beaumont.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 See I don't think that Ford Park officials would be told not to apply for the tournament by Lamar officials because then Lamar's intentions would be discovered. I'm going to try and not read too much into the tournament hosting application.
coachacola Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 Ford Park is probably just bidding for next year and not for all four years.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 15, 2011 Posted March 15, 2011 Interesting discussion involving WAC board about BYU. Could possibly affect us down the road. Key word could. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=7311816&p=1
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 15, 2011 Posted March 15, 2011 The WAC had a meeting last Friday. We didn't hear anything but neither did anyone else. They could have voted on Lamar already and that was why the administration pulled the plug on Roc. You never know, I think they had to decide something at that meeting and it's only a matter of time before we all find out. The WAC is running out of time and Lamar is still here. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=7315607
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 15, 2011 Posted March 15, 2011 Our friends over at Bobcatreport.com have a thread started on our coaching fire and how that may be related to our WAC candidacy. Check it out: http://bobcatreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=757
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 15, 2011 Posted March 15, 2011 CardAmbassador wrote: The WAC had a meeting last Friday. We didn't hear anything but neither did anyone else. They could have voted on Lamar already and that was why the administration pulled the plug on Roc. You never know, I think they had to decide something at that meeting and it's only a matter of time before we all find out. The WAC is running out of time and Lamar is still here. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=7315607 The more I mull it over in my head the more I think this might be the case. Why did LU wait till Monday to pull the plug on ROC? Alot can be said about Tidwell being out but it's also possible that LU admins were awaiting the results of last Friday's WAC meeting on expansion. Notice how nothing has leaked? LU wouldn't leak this info but another school would have if they were the target of the WAC. Here is what could have happend. WAC votes friday to add Lamar and some other school in 2012, then the administration realizes they need to get rid of Roc if they are joining the WAC and they make the decision over the weekend to start looking for a WAC worthy replacement. The announcement comes Monday and the fans are non the wiser about why the administration chose monday.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 There is some discussion on the WAC board about the date that Benson will announce new members of the WAC. Apparently Villanova is meeting on the 14th of April to determine if they are going to join the Big East for football. This decision will affect many other conferences so we might have to wait till after the 14th to see what the WAC does.
jdcurran235 Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 This timeline does seem to fit with our April 7th hire date. Just a thought.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 jdcurran235 wrote: This timeline does seem to fit with our April 7th hire date. Just a thought. Yes it does.
swtsu85 Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Bobcat fan here... My initial post with you all.. I just wanted to wish you guys all the best with joining the WAC. I think you will be a fine addition to that conference. Good luck on your BB coaching hire... I'm sure you will hire the right person to lead your program no matter where you are..
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 swtsu85 wrote: Bobcat fan here... My initial post with you all.. I just wanted to wish you guys all the best with joining the WAC. I think you will be a fine addition to that conference. Good luck on your BB coaching hire... I'm sure you will hire the right person to lead your program no matter where you are.. Thanks 85, sure hope we are in the WAC with you guys next year. Put in a good word for us. ;) Thanks for joining too. You can catch alot of good info about this weekend's baseball game in the diamond notes section.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 On another thread Coachacola is reporting that our BobcatReport.com source thinks LU's WAC candidacy will have to wait until vilanova, currently it appears there are no interested FBS candidates for the WAC.
jdcurran235 Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 HawaiiMongoose: A poster on the Villanova board who claims inside knowledge has finally used the "done deal" words. He says the decision will become official on April 12th. See the post by UncleEd at 9:20 a.m. this morning: villanova.rivals.com/showmsg.a...id=1000&style=2 Another poster, YoNortorn, claims to be hearing the same thing. Take this with a grain of salt; after all, in January multiple posters on the USU board were saying Utah State to the MWC was a done deal, but it didn't happen. There have been many posts on this board about how Villanova moving up could affect the WAC. My guess is that if it happens, the Big East won't raid CUSA, and that will help the WAC because backfilling a spot in CUSA will no longer be a realistic alternative for schools the WAC is trying to attract.
ScreamingDeane Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 dont hammer me but for my ignorant mind explain if this Villanova thing is good or bad for Lamars chances of being invited to the WAC. I dont get what they have to do with it. Im thinking it has to do with the big east raiding CUSA if Nova doesnt join and that would be bad for Lamar cause the WAC would or could choose a CUSA member over us, is that what this is all about? Nova joining the Big East is good for the LU to WAC chances, right??
Guest LU4LIFE Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 dont hammer me but for my ignorant mind explain if this Villanova thing is good or bad for Lamars chances of being invited to the WAC. I dont get what they have to do with it. Im thinking it has to do with the big east raiding CUSA if Nova doesnt join and that would be bad for Lamar cause the WAC would or could choose a CUSA member over us, is that what this is all about? Nova joining the Big East is good for the LU to WAC chances, right?? Yes if Nova was to join the Big East it would be good for LU.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Update: I have been keeping my ear to the ground pretty well on the WAC expansion and these are my thoughts: April 1st is Friday. We have been waiting a long time for this day but I'm pretty confident nothing will be announced then. If LU is going to the WAC it's going to be after the coaching hire the 7th and probably after the Villanova meeting the 14th. So we still have some waiting to do in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong and we hear something on Friday.
Guest LU4LIFE Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I agree with you I don't think that we will hear anything until after Nova makes their decision.
Guest NorthoftheBorder Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I went on the WAC board yesterday afternoon and there is still a lot of chatter about Lamar joining. A UTSA guy named BigRunner12 flat out says LU is in. Who really knows I haven't a clue. Makes for good reading if you are interested in LU sports.
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