Card Nation Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 first of all, im no supporter of lamar until they fire woodard, and get real, one more game against abilene christian won't tell u crap about this team. and it's "throw" not through in the towel good God. Thank goodness everybody doesnt think like you. Jimmy, either you are a supporter of Lamar or you are not, period. Fair weather fans are a dime a dozen and are irrelevant in the discussion. Of course, how we perform against ACU matters.. OF COURSE it matters... So you say we should just forfeit every game, shut it all down, and wait until next year... Thoughtless comments... please think prior to posting. Quote
saltine Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 card nation don't put words in my mouth. all i was meaning in that statement was that waiting to hit the panic button until lamar plays ac is a stupid statement. what do u think? say lamar does beat ac, then what? it will be a job saver for woodard? in that case i hope they lose. im not a fan of lamar since they refuse to demand excellence from the athletic director down to the position coaches. until they prove to me they care about winning and not just looking good losing, i wont be a fan, consider me just a critic. ` Quote
KABrother88 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 So the guy who uses a picture of a UT helmet as his avatar on a Lamar message board isn't a supporter of Lamar...noted Quote
cardinal Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I know a lot of you guys are big Lamar supporters, and are upset and ready for change, and at this point I cant argue the fact. But lets see how this next game pans out. I'm not ready to through in the towel just yet. And some of you are just a joke, and don't have a clue what you are talking about. I understand what you are saying but how many more embarrassing losses do we have to out up wit? I mean as far as expectations vs realities go, this was probably the worst loss we've had since we brought football back. It is sickening. Fortunately we've invites acu, incarnate word, and Houston baptist to join the league so we have some winnable games Quote
cardinal Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 So the guy who uses a picture of a UT helmet as his avatar on a Lamar message board isn't a supporter of Lamar...noted Lol Quote
saltine Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 better be happy i waste my time posting on here or yall would only have what about 14 posters lol Quote
saltine Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 i just dont understand the lack of blame, or the want to fix whats broken? i mean damn, lamar had a chance to hire larry coker and didn't..... thats correct, for your beloved woodard lol what a joke. Quote
Twin Daddy Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I've stayed away from this whole thread out of the desire not to "angry post". I'm with Dirtybird. Listen... I've broken the glass and my hand is on the fire alarm, but I'm not ready to pull it. Yet. Don't get me wrong, I might be pulling it out of the wall Saturday night. But for now, I'm not going to give up. There are many things I'm concerned about that aren't any different than what others have posted. The horrible special teams, the seeming lack of effort in the 4th quarter of games that have started to get away, the lousy playcalling. All are relevant, all are true, and all are reasons we may very well be making a change at the end of the year. In the end, the first four games went as expected: we beat two awful teams soundly, one very mediocre team despite playing badly, and lost badly to a team far, far superior to us. It wasn't until game five that the wheels came off the cart. But, really... could we have played worse? Would it even have been possible to? We drop half a dozen key passes, run the wrong routes, fumble seven damn times, our quarterback plays with the worst case of "happy feet" I've seen him play with in his career... I mean, don't get me wrong, Sam's fans get to gloat--they kicked our ass--but for every kick they delivered to us, we delivered two to ourselves. Fact is, we've got a road game against a team that's beaten one--and should have beaten two--FBS teams. They're not a chump. Yet I understand those who say that we have not come far enough in these six years, and losing to a newbie in the conference--even a good newbie--would be confirmation of that. The reason I agree with those who think this game is important is that, to me (even before last Saturday), there were only three games this year that I really considered to be in doubt. Sam, ACU, and UCA. I just can't see us beating Southeastern or McNeese, and would be saying that even if we'd beaten Sam by 30. And I can't see us losing to Nicholls, HBU, or Incarnate Bird. Even after last Saturday. So, in reality, are we going to go 6-6 by losing Saturday or 7-5 by winning while giving us at least a puncher's chance at beating one of the big three to get to 8-4? Again... I'll be on the "Can Woodard" ship Sunday morning if we play another game where we look like we did last Saturday. But I'm not giving up on these guys yet--I'm giving them a mulligan for last week, at least for one more game. I do believe Ray is coaching for his job Saturday. 6-6 isn't going to get it done, nor should it. Edited October 1, 2014 by Twin Daddy Quote
Card Nation Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 i just dont understand the lack of blame, or the want to fix whats broken? i mean damn, lamar had a chance to hire larry coker and didn't..... thats correct, for your beloved woodard lol what a joke. The offense's lack of execution was not typical of the guys we had playing. The offense is basically the same players that we had last year that ended the season with pretty good play. We were hoping that the good execution that was being displayed at the end of last year would have carried over into this game but it just simply didnt. Receiver's who never drop passes dropped passes. Somebody said we had 7 fumbles.. 7 fumbles is not poor coaching its simply a lack of execution. I hope that this was just one of "those" games. Sometimes it just isnt your night..... and Saturday was just not our night.... If you want to place blame. I think blame can be equally spread amongst every member of the organization. Let's see how we do Saturday against ACU and if we win let's see how we do against Southeastern at home? Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I disagree. I think we have a few very good skill players. The strength of our offense SHOULD be our quarterback and Kade Harrington is an excellent running back. Our offensive line is improved over what it has been, or at least I thought it was...but I didn't see many gaping holes so I think the jury is still out on that. Berry stunk and I just don't get it. I think a lot of his crappy play can be attributed to our play calling. I think Beggleton is an outstanding receiver. Roberts..well, he appears to be a 1 trick pony. I think Jayce Nelson could be very good if given a chance..but I believe he was hurt. And our tight ends are damn good but we don't bother throwing them the ball but once or twice a game...frigging stupid. As for our defense...I think our corners stink. Our d-line is below average. And I haven't been too impressed with our linebacker play. Our guys need to start manning up and lighting up people. Mississippi College put 10 times more hard hits on us than we did on them. Yes, we blew them out but they would actually hit you. And, of course, Sam really lit us up a few times. I'm concerned about Berry. He looks like an All American against lesser opponents but has laid two eggs against better team. Is that him? Is it our o-line? Is it our play calling? Is it our receivers? Probably all of the above. Oh, and what is the point of a read option when the qb NEVER keeps the ball? Dear opponents, our QB NEVER RUNS! This is an extremely funny post! You disagree, then go on to dis on several skill players. I've tried to state the bad play by the Cards was attributed to the good play of the Kats - I was quickly corrected and was "schooled" on the term "unforced errors" - lol....So how can it be that the skilled players are good when they made so many mistakes on their own.... As far as the LU's line - you disagreed with me on that as well, particularly the DL - well, the game I watched, Sam had a hard time running up the middle (with the exception of the one long TD) The OL gave Berry protection most of the night - the trouble he got into mostly (IMO) - was due to coverage down field. Anyway - like I said - LU is not very good and the fans have a false sense of how good they are due to their schedule - ACU "WILL" be the determining factor to the rest of your season - Whereas a win will not propel y'all in the a conference championship - A loss will in fact secure you a losing season and back to square one in the big picture of the program - IMO Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 The offense's lack of execution was not typical of the guys we had playing. The offense is basically the same players that we had last year that ended the season with pretty good play. We were hoping that the good execution that was being displayed at the end of last year would have carried over into this game but it just simply didnt. Receiver's who never drop passes dropped passes. Somebody said we had 7 fumbles.. 7 fumbles is not poor coaching its simply a lack of execution. I hope that this was just one of "those" games. Sometimes it just isnt your night..... and Saturday was just not our night.... If you want to place blame. I think blame can be equally spread amongst every member of the organization. Let's see how we do Saturday against ACU and if we win let's see how we do against Southeastern at home? I think last year's success was more about people overlooking LU as a very bad team, and a few teams got surprised - there won't be any taking LU for granted this year, and those teams (Sam already did) and McNeese will make a statement this year by blowing LU out - Quote
KABrother88 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I think last year's success was more about people overlooking LU as a very bad team, and a few teams got surprised - there won't be any taking LU for granted this year, and those teams (Sam already did) and McNeese will make a statement this year by blowing LU out - If you knew anything about last years team you would know by the end of the year people weren't considering LU a very bad team and overlooking them...14-3 against Sam in Huntsville, lost with less than 3 min left to a ranked UCA sqaud, scored more against SELA than any non FBS team did on the road, let the playcalling beat us on the road against NWSt in a game we should have won, then finally getting the SFA monkey off our back...yea I can see how a nationally ranked McNeese would think we sucked and overlooked us needing a TD with less than a minute left to escape... Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 If you knew anything about last years team you would know by the end of the year people weren't considering LU a very bad team and overlooking them...14-3 against Sam in Huntsville, lost with less than 3 min left to a ranked UCA sqaud, scored more against SELA than any non FBS team did on the road, let the playcalling beat us on the road against NWSt in a game we should have won, then finally getting the SFA monkey off our back...yea I can see how a nationally ranked McNeese would think we sucked and overlooked us needing a TD with less than a minute left to escape... Well, I guess I should follow that with: If you knew anything about SHSU, SELU and McNeese football, you'd know: all the talk at SHSU was to blow LU out and move on McNeese State the next week which the lost 31-23. McNeese (already in the playoffs) having a playoff game against ranked Jacksonville State the next week...which they lost 31-10 SELU followed the LU game against McNeese - which they won with a blow out 41-7. LU did in fact have close games with those 3 teams due to LU playing above there ability due to those games being BIG games for LU - No so much for their opponents. If you think all 3 of those teams weren't looking past LU....then it's more of that rose colored glasses stuff.... Quote
KABrother88 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 McNeese was still playing for a potential bye, which they got, therefore they didn't even know who they would be playing or when they would play...if you think that they were looking over Lamar after the close games Lamar had played and should have won a couple then you're just a friggin idiot...go on back to KatFans and talk about how great your team is and how NDSU is getting payback this year... Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 McNeese was still playing for a potential bye, which they got, therefore they didn't even know who they would be playing or when they would play...if you think that they were looking over Lamar after the close games Lamar had played and should have won a couple then you're just a friggin idiot...go on back to KatFans and talk about how great your team is and how NDSU is getting payback this year... Why would I want to go to Katsfan - and just agree with everyone. Besides, I'm an LU Grad and live in the GT - with that said I would like to see LU succeed......Yes, I'd be a fair weather fan - but if they do start playing good teams at home and actually started winning - I'd most likely go watch and hope they win - with the exception of SHSU of course... As far as me being an idiot - well, I still refuse to make anything personal on this sight. So, whereas you can have an opinion as to why LU were in close games last year, and why they will get their buttocks kicked this year with the SAME players....because they were overlooked - and that will NOT happen this year...I'll still be here after the other 2 schools blow out LU,(just like the BearKats did) so you can come back on here and say ---- Sir, you told me so!....but more than likely you will have some other crybaby excuse as to why. _Eat'em Up Kats Quote
KABrother88 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I would much rather see an empty seat than you coming to games WHEN Lamar is successful...then you still aren't going to support them when they play your daughter's alma mater because she ran track there...even thought YOUR diploma says Lamar. Hell I know a Lamar grad who wore his LU gear to watch his SHSU cheerleader daughter at an LU-SHSU game... Although I do apologize for the "idiot" comment...just watch out at KF...if you piss them off they will stalk you to find out what you look like, call you ugly then ban you for making personal attacks...some class over there Edited October 1, 2014 by KABrother88 Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I would much rather see an empty seat than you coming to games WHEN Lamar is successful...then you still aren't going to support them when they play your daughter's alma mater because she ran track there...even thought YOUR diploma says Lamar. Hell I know a Lamar grad who wore his LU gear to watch his SHSU cheerleader daughter at an LU-SHSU game... Good for him - however, my daughter is STILL at SHSU as the conference champions (indoor and outdoor track)....and I choose to support HER school and HER current Athletic program, by attending and financially $$$) With that said - I doesn't matter what you'd "rather" see ....lmao on the other hand - I don't think you have to worry about that for awhile anyway.... But you did make me smile - You chose to stay on the "personal" attack rather than on the subject of LU football....which "was" overlooked as a very bad team last year (due to the result of the close scores) and will NOT be this year (due to the blowout score and more to come) with basically the same players....... Quote
LUSportsFan Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Good for him - however, my daughter is STILL at SHSU as the conference champions (indoor and outdoor track)....and I choose to support HER school and HER current Athletic program, by attending and financially $$$) With that said - I doesn't matter what you'd "rather" see ....lmao on the other hand - I don't think you have to worry about that for awhile anyway.... But you did make me smile - You chose to stay on the "personal" attack rather than on the subject of LU football....which "was" overlooked as a very bad team last year (due to the result of the close scores) and will NOT be this year (due to the blowout score and more to come) with basically the same players....... There's nothing that keeps you from supporting both except you. My first degree is from A&M. My second is from Lamar. I support both programs financially (both athletics and academics) and have for 20-30 years. I've had to split attendance over the years because I can't be both places at one time, but did have season tickets to A&M for almost all the period Lamar had no football program (15 years) and had Lamar season tickets for 16 years so far counting the reboot. Both places have taken my money over the years, and I have felt that the support was a great investment and payback for the life I've been able to lead since the graduations. So I know it can be done. The only issue for me in athletic allegiances is when the two programs are opponents. Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) There's nothing that keeps you from supporting both except you. My first degree is from A&M. My second is from Lamar. I support both programs financially (both athletics and academics) and have for 20-30 years. I've had to split attendance over the years because I can't be both places at one time, but did have season tickets to A&M for almost all the period Lamar had no football program (15 years) and had Lamar season tickets for 16 years so far counting the reboot. Both places have taken my money over the years, and I have felt that the support was a great investment and payback for the life I've been able to lead since the graduations. So I know it can be done. The only issue for me in athletic allegiances is when the two programs are opponents. I agree! Whereas some attack me for stating "my personal business" on here, it's only to explain my position....love/hate relationship for LU. My daughter was never recruited by LU...3 time state high jump qualifier, finished 3rd her Sr, yr...(currently wearing a SLC championship ring)...LU had it's chances to have ALL of my support - Not to mention, I played HS baseball in the GT got recruited by USL - NOT LU...I only finished here due to starting a family......point is...lots of gripes about not recruiting locally...that's a problem in all sports...there are currently 3 softball girls (1-Westbrook, 1-Vidor, and 1-Hardin Jefferson), at McNeese (one an all SLC catcher) that LU didn't even recruit....and they have a brand new SB program as well. So, tell me why I should give my $$$ to LU....seems they didn't want it - SHSU apparently did! Edited October 1, 2014 by CraigS Quote
Card Nation Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I agree! Whereas some attack me for stating "my personal business" on here, it's only to explain my position....love/hate relationship for LU. My daughter was never recruited by LU...3 time state high jump qualifier, finished 3rd her Sr, yr...(currently wearing a SLC championship ring)...LU had it's chances to have ALL of my support - Not to mention, I played HS baseball in the GT got recruited by USL - NOT LU...I only finished here due to starting a family......point is...lots of gripes about not recruiting locally...that's a problem in all sports...there are currently 3 softball girls (1-Westbrook, 1-Vidor, and 1-Hardin Jefferson), at McNeese (one an all SLC catcher) that LU didn't even recruit....and they have a brand new SB program as well. So, tell me why I should give my $$$ to LU....seems they didn't want it - SHSU apparently did! Ok. So we finally find out the real reason why you are so very upset with Lamar. You keep saying that we attack you personally, yet you keep interjecting personal stuff in the conversation. The Lamar track coach overlooked your daughter in high school. I get it now. The personal vendetta is not us on you but you on us....(Lamar Supporters). Sounds like your daughter is a great athlete and you should be proud. Very few folks get an opportunity to play college sports and you should feel lucky and proud that your daughter has been been given the chance. I am truly glad that she got the opportunity to continue her athletic career. Recruiting is an "icky" situation based on my conversations with others who have gone through it... It is not a fun time and so many variables go into actually getting an offer that have absolutely nothing to do with how good your daughter was or was not...... You should not take the snub personally... Your anger toward Lamar just hurts you...... not Lamar. Why not just go back to katfans and support your team? All the best of luck to you and your daughter. Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Ok. So we finally find out the real reason why you are so very upset with Lamar. You keep saying that we attack you personally, yet you keep interjecting personal stuff in the conversation. The Lamar track coach overlooked your daughter in high school. I get it now. The personal vendetta is not us on you but you on us....(Lamar Supporters). Sounds like your daughter is a great athlete and you should be proud. Very few folks get an opportunity to play college sports and you should feel lucky and proud that your daughter has been been given the chance. I am truly glad that she got the opportunity to continue her athletic career. Recruiting is an "icky" situation based on my conversations with others who have gone through it... It is not a fun time and so many variables go into actually getting an offer that have absolutely nothing to do with how good your daughter was or was not...... You should not take the snub personally... Your anger toward Lamar just hurts you...... not Lamar. Why not just go back to katfans and support your team? All the best of luck to you and your daughter. I'm over there as well...thanks though! I really don't have an agenda against LU - I've spoken nothing but truths and some opinion - I have NOT trashed LU or it's fans - more truth is, I have more "personal" friends here and enjoy the smack talk for the Sam game - other than than I have cheered LU and more particularly certain players. Note: My kid probably wouldn't have gone to LU anyway - she wanted to be close enough, yet far enough away - and WIN championships - so it didn't REALLY matter that LU didn't make an offer - that was just a point being made about them not even trying to get my "team" or "financial" support... From being outside the coolaide drinkers circle I felt I was giving another perspective or insight to LU's problems, lack of talent to compete in the SLC....however, I could take your advice and move on - That way you can be among a group that simply makes a statement and all agree - now what fun is that...... I think I'll stay until someone with the power to boot me decides to do just that.....Go Luck Cards - Eat'em Up Kats Quote
LUSportsFan Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I agree! Whereas some attack me for stating "my personal business" on here, it's only to explain my position....love/hate relationship for LU. My daughter was never recruited by LU...3 time state high jump qualifier, finished 3rd her Sr, yr...(currently wearing a SLC championship ring)...LU had it's chances to have ALL of my support - Not to mention, I played HS baseball in the GT got recruited by USL - NOT LU...I only finished here due to starting a family......point is...lots of gripes about not recruiting locally...that's a problem in all sports...there are currently 3 softball girls (1-Westbrook, 1-Vidor, and 1-Hardin Jefferson), at McNeese (one an all SLC catcher) that LU didn't even recruit....and they have a brand new SB program as well. So, tell me why I should give my $$$ to LU....seems they didn't want it - SHSU apparently did! I understand now. You have other reasons. My post was mainly an attempt to say that it didn't have to be "Either / Or", but could be "Both". Your situation is an example of a major concern that I have seen expressed numerous times on this board. It seems that Lamar did not look in its own backyard a lot of times. I hope that is changing. I have been encouraged by some of the recent signings, one in particular following a fairly recent head coaching change. On the other hand, I'm disappointed that your daughter is yet another actual example of a missed opportunity. I don't have a problem with an athlete we offer thinking another program is a better fit. I do have a problem not even offering an athlete from the local area that has equivalent or better talent than one we ultimately get. It won't help your personal situation now, but I'm naive enough to think that changes can be made if enough of us stick around to express our dissatisfaction with practices that don't make sense. I want the best athlete available regardless of where the athlete comes from, but to get there we need to make sure that we are not overlooking the talent pool in the local area. Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I understand now. You have other reasons. My post was mainly an attempt to say that it didn't have to be "Either / Or", but could be "Both". Your situation is an example of a major concern that I have seen expressed numerous times on this board. It seems that Lamar did not look in its own backyard a lot of times. I hope that is changing. I have been encouraged by some of the recent signings, one in particular following a fairly recent head coaching change. On the other hand, I'm disappointed that your daughter is yet another actual example of a missed opportunity. I don't have a problem with an athlete we offer thinking another program is a better fit. I do have a problem not even offering an athlete from the local area that has equivalent or better talent than one we ultimately get. It won't help your personal situation now, but I'm naive enough to think that changes can be made if enough of us stick around to express our dissatisfaction with practices that don't make sense. I want the best athlete available regardless of where the athlete comes from, but to get there we need to make sure that we are not overlooking the talent pool in the local area. Well as part of the softball community for a long time (founder of one of the larger select programs in the GT - GT Shockers) I tried and tried to entertain LU softball coaches and get them involved in local recruiting - we wined them and dined them...we hosted tournaments and donated THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars to their program - just to get slapped in the face....so...we redirected - we sent 3 very talented players to McNeese (the 4th de-committed when Smith left for Ole Miss and she followed him there...she was from Lumberton) we also redirected our $$$$ and sent it to McNeese to help support the program that supported our local players....I'm no longer doing softball since my daughter does track - but that program has assisted nearly 40 girls in getting scholarships in the last 7 years - there is only ONE playing for LU - and she initially went to Blinn JUCO.........YES it's a problem....and it wasn't with JUST my kid Quote
cardinal Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Well as part of the softball community for a long time (founder of one of the larger select programs in the GT - GT Shockers) I tried and tried to entertain LU softball coaches and get them involved in local recruiting - we wined them and dined them...we hosted tournaments and donated THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars to their program - just to get slapped in the face....so...we redirected - we sent 3 very talented players to McNeese (the 4th de-committed when Smith left for Ole Miss and she followed him there...she was from Lumberton) we also redirected our $$$$ and sent it to McNeese to help support the program that supported our local players....I'm no longer doing softball since my daughter does track - but that program has assisted nearly 40 girls in getting scholarships in the last 7 years - there is only ONE playing for LU - and she initially went to Blinn JUCO.........YES it's a problem....and it wasn't with JUST my kid boo hoo hoo Quote
CraigS Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) boo hoo hoo Nope, nothing to cry about here! It's just a shame LU misses out on some very talented local kids...of ALL sports! Edited October 1, 2014 by CraigS Quote
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