**SELA at LU Game Thread** SELA WINS 61-34

[puddin tane]

That's exactly what we have with Harrington...nobody wanted him and he's kicking ass

 

all FCS schools are in the same boat with that.....my question was the coaching? How do other schools get quality assistants?

 

against our defense, SELA set a school rushing record....most ever in their SCHOOL HISTORY..WHO gets blamed for that? Hell, we have at least 3 d1 transfers starting on defense

 

it's Woodards job to have a good offense, defense, and special teams, and he is failing.

[puddin tane]

I agree and disagree...Kuecks offense is very predictable, but it wasn't his defense that got torched. And it wasn't a case of the offense laying an egg....

[puddin tane]

And hey! Both Delta st and am commerce have up and coming young coaches..THAT THROW...maybe the commerce dude could bring his dad..that dude can coach.....I wonder if a dad would oc for his kid?

[puddin tane]

Along with Harrington...let me throw in Bethany....he's gonna be really good

[LU1991]

The first 2 seasons after Lamar brought the program back, we went to Hammond, Louisiana and beat SELA. Since then we have obviously not improved, while they have moved their program to be in the top tier. How does that happen???

[coachacola]

The first 2 seasons after Lamar brought the program back, we went to Hammond, Louisiana and beat SELA. Since then we have obviously not improved, while they have moved their program to be in the top tier. How does that happen???

 

By hiring a new coach!! But for some on this board that's not the solution.

[CraigS]

By hiring a new coach!! But for some on this board that's not the solution.

 

Woodard is the 3rd all time winningest coach in LU history in half the time....and this year he may match the all time number of wins in program history...can't argue stats!

 

FYI - 3 of the Cards SLC championships were won with 6-4 / 6-3 records...and 1 with a losing record of 5-6....and they've only had 5 total...the other was with an 8-0-2 record....so even when LU "wins" it it isn't by much....

 

WOODARD is NOT the problem....to much history to prove otherwise! In fact, one might can say he is succeeding in spite of LU's history.

[puddin tane]

I don't think any of the previous coaches had texas college, weber international, bacone, or Langston on their schedules...

[KABrother88]

Just so I'm clear here...LU has always been mediocre at best throughout their history so we should accept that out of the program, keep Woodard, and remain stagnant...got it...

[puddin tane]

Woodard vs. All Opponents

Opponent W-L

Abilene Christian 1-0 Bacone College 1-0 Central Arkansas 0-3 Georgia State 0-1 Grambling State 2-0 Hawai’i 0-1 Incarnate Word 1-0 Langston 2-0 Louisiana Tech 0-1 UL-Lafayette 0-1 McMurry 1-0 McNeese State 0-4 Mississippi College 1-0 Nicholls State 3-0 North Dakota 0-1 Northwestern State 0-3 Oklahoma Panhandle State 2-0 Oklahoma State 0-1 Prairie View A&M 1-0 Sam Houston State 0-5 South Alabama 0-2 South Dakota 1-0 Southeastern Louisiana 2-2 Stephen F. Austin 1-3 Texas A&M 0-1 Texas College 2-0 Texas State 0-1 Webber International 1-0 Totals 22-30

 

most impressive win? Probably s.dakota

[KABrother88]

Woodard vs. All Opponents

Opponent W-L

Abilene Christian 1-0 Bacone College 1-0 Central Arkansas 0-3 Georgia State 0-1 Grambling State 2-0 Hawai’i 0-1 Incarnate Word 1-0 Langston 2-0 Louisiana Tech 0-1 UL-Lafayette 0-1 McMurry 1-0 McNeese State 0-4 Mississippi College 1-0 Nicholls State 3-0 North Dakota 0-1 Northwestern State 0-3 Oklahoma Panhandle State 2-0 Oklahoma State 0-1 Prairie View A&M 1-0 Sam Houston State 0-5 South Alabama 0-2 South Dakota 1-0 Southeastern Louisiana 2-2 Stephen F. Austin 1-3 Texas A&M 0-1 Texas College 2-0 Texas State 0-1 Webber International 1-0 Totals 22-30

 

most impressive win? Probably s.dakota

 

Would have to agree...only won 11 games against team that were FCS at the time (ACU-1, Grambling-2, Nicholls-3, PVA&M-1, South Dakota-1, SELA-2, SFA-1)

[CraigS]

Just so I'm clear here...LU has always been mediocre at best throughout their history so we should accept that out of the program, keep Woodard, and remain stagnant...got it...

 

Didn't say that. Just saying in an era of "start up" unlike the others he is doing as well as they did...with that in mind, perhaps he isn't doing all that bad.

 

Whereas y'all bring up facilities, and they are nice....they weren't complete when recruiting started..in fact the situation was terrible...kids had to practice knowing there wouldn't be any games...then as independent....then as a new SLC team with the likes of 2 or 3 playoff teams in same conference...the SLC isn't exactly a slouch...to expect so much so soon from a guy who has done a pretty dang good job is unrealistic....

 

and then is the problems Allsports34 posted.

 

On another note - I'm sure Nichols St fans aren't happy either...but sometimes....it is what it is!

[puddin tane]

Let's make this more " visual"

 

say...I am a house painter. The SELA game is your house. Would you pay me for that job?

[CraigS]

Let's make this more " visual"

 

say...I am a house painter. The SELA game is your house. Would you pay me for that job?

 

I've given you hell and you me...but surely you're smart enough to know it isn't that cut and dry or that simple....Allsports34 even tried to explain it to you...and did a very good job....I understood and agreed with everything he said....put things in perspective, then give it time!

[CraigS]

I was looking at Mercer - Atlanta, Ga (start up program after 72 years) They set the record for wins by a start-up team with - 10.

 

But lets look at that....

 

2 wins - NAIA

2 wins - DIII

6 wins - (in Southern conference) the teams all had losing records

2 loses - (in Southern conference) to the only teams with winning records (both 8-3)

 

2 things to note here - 4 wins against sub DI-FCS schools and a conference that is far below that of the Southland.

 

Still not saying except mediocrity...just saying new programs will schedule (maybe that's all they can get) weaker lower classification programs....and the strength of the SLC has to be taken into account.

 

Now these fans are excited - and the media has recognized them as a record holder...now that is crazy...this is a case where maybe losing more games (LU) is actually better than winning more games (Mercer).

[KABrother88]

Didn't say that. Just saying in an era of "start up" unlike the others he is doing as well as they did...with that in mind, perhaps he isn't doing all that bad.

 

Whereas y'all bring up facilities, and they are nice....they weren't complete when recruiting started..in fact the situation was terrible...kids had to practice knowing there wouldn't be any games...then as independent....then as a new SLC team with the likes of 2 or 3 playoff teams in same conference...the SLC isn't exactly a slouch...to expect so much so soon from a guy who has done a pretty dang good job is unrealistic....

 

and then is the problems Allsports34 posted.

 

On another note - I'm sure Nichols St fans aren't happy either...but sometimes....it is what it is!

 

You're contradicting yourself...if you're grading Woodard's performance based upon other "start ups" then LU's past history shouldn't even be brought into to conversation.

[CraigS]

How is that contradicting....I showed he is doing as well as any other coach ever at LU..... But if you want him to do better and wins is all that matters. .. Then play subpar teams and get in a lesser conference than the SLC.... otherwise he'll struggle just like all the others who couldn't recruit from outside into bmt.

[KABrother88]

How is that contradicting....I showed he is doing as well as any other coach ever at LU..... But if you want him to do better and wins is all that matters. .. Then play subpar teams and get in a lesser conference than the SLC.... otherwise he'll struggle just like all the others who couldn't recruit from outside into bmt.

 

Because when you make posts about LU's history and people disagree with that you change your tune to compare us to other start-ups...and again just because LU has been historically mediocre we should keep a guy who falls into line with that...and has padded his win total by playing cupcakes at that? I understand your orange tinted glasses want LU to remain middle of the pack but we as actual fans and supporters do not

[puddin tane]

Hmmmm...interesting:

 

In 2004----SELA's 2nd season back, after they cancelled football--- they went 7-4, beat #6 McNeese 51-17, briefly broke into the top 25 and led the nation in offense. All after not having football for about 20 years....

Edited October 15, 2014 by puddin tane

[cardinal]

Hmmmm...interesting:

 

In 2004----SELA's 2nd season back, after they cancelled football--- they went 7-4, beat #6 McNeese 51-17, briefly broke into the top 25 and led the nation in offense. All after not having football for about 20 years....

 

That's because they have fantastic facilities, and an outstanding college atmosphere and because Hammond is such an incredible place to live and attend college.

[KABrother88]

That's because they have fantastic facilities, and an outstanding college atmosphere and because Hammond is such an incredible place to live and attend college.

 

Don't forget all the successful professional sports teams that are there...

[CraigS]

And definitely don't forget all the cowardly fans that call for a man's job behind a screen name. ....

[Card Nation]

I don't see how the AD can fire Woodard if he goes 7-5. This will be his 5th season as coach, 1st winning season, and we will be 4-4 in conference.. All of which was accomplished after the administration gave him a one year contract extension which for all intense purposes crippled the coaches ability to retain coaches and recruits, etc. I dont say fire him, I believe we should give him a 3 year extension and a raze for his accomplishment.

 

7 wins will put this team in a tie for 9th all time for number of wins in a season "ever".

 

I think alot of the anti-Woodard discussion(except for you Puddin.. you have been consistent the whole time :)) has alot to do with the ole adage that the "grass is greener on the other side". The probabillity that we find some brown, gnarly grass on the other side of Woodard is high in my opinion.

 

We could easily go from average to below average with a lesser coach. I am not happy with average at all, but Woodard got us from ZERO to average (middle of the FCS).. if he can take us from Zero to the middle why cant he take us from the middle to the top? I think that he can given the support needed by ANY coach to be successful.

 

I was watching Dan Mullen's interview on Saturday prior to the game with Auburn and he was asked what does he attribute his recent success to and he said that he attributed his success to grass roots support from the athletic department, athletic financial supporters, and the fans. I am not sure if Woodard has had the support necessary for any coach to be more successful. We can start doing better now?? Give Woodard 3 more years, lets see what he can do, and then reassess.

[puddin tane]

I don't see how the AD can fire Woodard if he goes 7-5. This will be his 5th season as coach, 1st winning season, and we will be 4-4 in conference.. All of which was accomplished after the administration gave him a one year contract extension which for all intense purposes crippled the coaches ability to retain coaches and recruits, etc. I dont say fire him, I believe we should give him a 3 year extension and a raze for his accomplishment.

 

7 wins will put this team in a tie for 9th all time for number of wins in a season "ever".

 

I think alot of the anti-Woodard discussion(except for you Puddin.. you have been consistent the whole time :)) has alot to do with the ole adage that the "grass is greener on the other side". The probabillity that we find some brown, gnarly grass on the other side of Woodard is high in my opinion.

 

We could easily go from average to below average with a lesser coach. I am not happy with average at all, but Woodard got us from ZERO to average (middle of the FCS).. if he can take us from Zero to the middle why cant he take us from the middle to the top? I think that he can given the support needed by ANY coach to be successful.

 

I was watching Dan Mullen's interview on Saturday prior to the game with Auburn and he was asked what does he attribute his recent success to and he said that he attributed his success to grass roots support from the athletic department, athletic financial supporters, and the fans. I am not sure if Woodard has had the support necessary for any coach to be more successful. We can start doing better now?? Give Woodard 3 more years, lets see what he can do, and then reassess.

 

I think we are below average...we just gave up more rushing yards to SELA than anyone has..ever.. What are we against FCS teams? Somewhere around 8-21. Not average.

 

So, we keep a coach because we are scared of getting a lesser coach? What if, dare to dream, we get one that is better? Holy smokes...it can't be possible!

[CraigS]

I think we are below average...we just gave up more rushing yards to SELA than anyone has..ever.. What are we against FCS teams? Somewhere around 8-21. Not average.

 

So, we keep a coach because we are scared of getting a lesser coach? What if, dare to dream, we get one that is better? Holy smokes...it can't be possible!

 

I just find it funny that the only people who are "right" are the ones who say fire the coach, fire the coach....3 different people (recently) have given reason why not to....I've actually given several perspectives (and others have even agreed with and added to that) as to why not....it's not what y'all believe or want to hear so is bash the poster time, call names, and even a conspiracy theory of my "orange colored glasses" ,as if I've infiltrated the Cardinal nation and trying to sabotage the program to keep it average so SHSH can continue to dominate LU....you people are a freaking joke.