Lamar's Identity

[TBonesLU]

I like that you agree with me. Makes me feel good inside,I swear. See UT and a LU transplant can get along. Now the local stadiums are a little bigger than you give them credit for.

 

Port Neches-Groves Indian Stadium

DETAILS

Total seating • capacity: 13,000

• Playing Surface: FieldTurf

• All-time attendance record: 16,000

• Two-tier, state-of-the-art pressbox

• 20,000 square foot field house

• Special features: 27'x17' high definition video board

 

NEDERLAND: capacity: 11,000

PORT ARTHUR: capacity: 8500

 

And NO I am not from MID-COUNTY and the stadiums are listed as I found them on the web. So update your web site Nederland if you want it to look better. You should be able to hire a firm with what you charge me in taxes.

 

Okay?

[Guest CardAmbassador]

I like that you agree with me. Makes me feel good inside,I swear. See UT and a LU transplant can get along. Now the local stadiums are a little bigger than you give them credit for.

 

Port Neches-Groves Indian Stadium

DETAILS

Total seating • capacity: 13,000

• Playing Surface: FieldTurf

• All-time attendance record: 16,000

• Two-tier, state-of-the-art pressbox

• 20,000 square foot field house

• Special features: 27'x17' high definition video board

 

NEDERLAND: capacity: 11,000

PORT ARTHUR: capacity: 8500

 

And NO I am not from MID-COUNTY and the stadiums are listed as I found them on the web. So update your web site Nederland if you want it to look better. You should be able to hire a firm with what you charge me in taxes.

 

LU

16,000 seating (down from 17,500) and we're not talking metal stands but actual stadium seating.

attendance record 18.5k

Artificial Field Turf (Same company that installs the stuff for the pros)

1 tier press box yes, with a 3 tier suite complex built inside of our 10,080 seat basketball arena

50x24 video board

Field House (I'm not sure the size but I know its huge at least 50 or 60,000) weight room total space is 10,000, Basketball, soccer, baseball, and softball all have their own weight rooms too.)

 

 

How was this harder for Lamar to build than what PNG did? We can't just issues a bond on a taxing district, these things don't compare.

[AggiesAreWe]

Their are several post that we argued all spring. Not to mention your background you should know how much local talent slips away.I promised in the last post that I would drop the issue.

 

You are kidding yourself if you think Lamar is going to get a lot of the local talent. Some of these guys have bigger offers, some don't. Some want to leave this area. It's the better players that fall into the hands of the SFA's. McNeese's, and Sam"s that we should be concerned about, not the ones who never got any offers or the ones who received offers from "big universities".

 

I know about the Doty deal, you harped on that plenty. But your statement was plural, suggesting several players. I was just wondering who the others were.

[theTestament]

I think the comparison was about selling out the close to same size stadiums. The bottom line is this, if we do not start getting better, then the almost sold out crowd at Lamar will be almost empty and then we will be back to 1989.

[lu cards]

lets keep png and doty out of this conversation.time to get off the ledge.were gonna beat sela next week just like last year.then everyone will be jacked up for the demons trip to beaumont.i was down after saturday but its time to move on.

[Guest CardAmbassador]

I think the comparison was about selling out the close to same size stadiums. The bottom line is this, if we do not start getting better, then the almost sold out crowd at Lamar will be almost empty and then we will be back to 1989.

 

It took a decade of losing, a depression worse than what we are seeing now, plus a very short sighted board of regents to get us where we were in 1989.

 

If you think we are headed there that fast then you are a very pessimissic person because alot will need to happen.

 

The majority of people are glad to have football back, most people that don't know much about football enjoyed the IWU game.

 

We had around 3k attendance in 1989. Even the worst SLC teams don't have that bad of attendance, and remember who leads the SLC in attendance in almost every sport? Yes that is LU.

 

I completely agree, we need to start performing well or the attendance will definitely start to decrease. But that's just a very bad comparison.

[TBonesLU]

[quote name="TBonesLU" post=22526

While I understand some of your argument, selling out a 2,000-seat stadium is a bad comparison to a 16,000-seat stadium. Plus, I hate to say it, but Lamar's goal is not to put fans in the stands. It is to win. It's the same reason the Texans didn't take Vince Young in the draft 5-6 years ago. While Young would have put people in the seats because he is from Houston, it would not have done anything for them as they couldn't have done anything with any quarterback. Carr wasn't the problem; everything else was. Lamar needs to continue to increase publicity and win games (as they are now).

 

Let's not forget this is a brand-new program. South Alabama's success doesn't happen every time a start-up program gets going. To be honest, they are a freak of nature team.

 

While I've said what I have, boomer, I agree with you on a lot of points. We need to step it up, the QB battle is a bit annoying, and we need to become more disciplined.

 

Try 13000. This is PNG not Bridge City.

 

I apologize as I don't keep up with high school sports anymore.

[theTestament]

[quote name="TBonesLU" post=22526

While I understand some of your argument, selling out a 2,000-seat stadium is a bad comparison to a 16,000-seat stadium. Plus, I hate to say it, but Lamar's goal is not to put fans in the stands. It is to win. It's the same reason the Texans didn't take Vince Young in the draft 5-6 years ago. While Young would have put people in the seats because he is from Houston, it would not have done anything for them as they couldn't have done anything with any quarterback. Carr wasn't the problem; everything else was. Lamar needs to continue to increase publicity and win games (as they are now).

 

Let's not forget this is a brand-new program. South Alabama's success doesn't happen every time a start-up program gets going. To be honest, they are a freak of nature team.

 

While I've said what I have, boomer, I agree with you on a lot of points. We need to step it up, the QB battle is a bit annoying, and we need to become more disciplined.

 

Try 13000. This is PNG not Bridge City.

 

I apologize as I don't keep up with high school sports anymore.

 

Oh I forgot you graduated from a baby red bird to a Big Red bird.

[TBonesLU]

[quote name="TBonesLU" post=22526

While I understand some of your argument, selling out a 2,000-seat stadium is a bad comparison to a 16,000-seat stadium. Plus, I hate to say it, but Lamar's goal is not to put fans in the stands. It is to win. It's the same reason the Texans didn't take Vince Young in the draft 5-6 years ago. While Young would have put people in the seats because he is from Houston, it would not have done anything for them as they couldn't have done anything with any quarterback. Carr wasn't the problem; everything else was. Lamar needs to continue to increase publicity and win games (as they are now).

 

Let's not forget this is a brand-new program. South Alabama's success doesn't happen every time a start-up program gets going. To be honest, they are a freak of nature team.

 

While I've said what I have, boomer, I agree with you on a lot of points. We need to step it up, the QB battle is a bit annoying, and we need to become more disciplined.

 

Try 13000. This is PNG not Bridge City.

 

I apologize as I don't keep up with high school sports anymore.

 

Oh I forgot you graduated from a baby red bird to a Big Red bird.

 

Uh, sure. However, had I graduated as an Indian, Bruin, or Mustang, I still wouldn't care. I'm more invested in every way in Lamar. I'm proud to be a Lamar grad. I'm not necessarily proud to have gone to Bridge City. I'm more proud of the fact that I'm from Orange than I am of my high school.

[theTestament]

Kinda sad you do not support your HS. I am very proud to support mine and just as proud to support Lamar, also where I graduated from.

[TBonesLU]

Kinda sad you do not support your HS. I am very proud to support mine and just as proud to support Lamar, also where I graduated from.

 

Why is it sad?

[theTestament]

You will when you have kids.

[TBonesLU]

Anyway, back on topic...

 

I'm glad we have an off week to give our guys plenty of rest as well as reflection time before the next game. These two weeks, if used in the right way, should show lots of improvement and productivity going into the SELA game.

[Guest boomer]

The point I'm trying to make here is these stadiums sell out every week for there football. Now the Identity we need is that Lamar is There team. You said the stadiums where no where near the size of Lamar they are. Bonds are passed by fans going to the polls and voting. We need the fan bases of local schools to be Lamar fans also. Surely we all agree on that. the three schools I listed sell out every friday night and that's over thirty thousand people. we have to get those and Hardin county And Chambers Jasper....ect Right now the team has an incredibly loyal following but small. That fan base must be increased. The point about not fielding the team was rebutted by the money that has been put in to start it. I work for a company that makes millions a day and just laid sixty people off. Nothing is secure because it had start up funding. We have to keep football hot at Lamar. Right now LU football is like the new resturant you can't get in without waiting. One fly in the soup or tomany losses by a bunch of kids we don't know and you sit anywhere you want.To this point I ask where is the media campaigns? Why don't we see LU players everywhere doing something to get the word out. ( during the off season of course)Are we happy with where we sit or are we going to strive to grow. When I ask that we try to get more local kids fresh out of High School i was told that winning is what puts butts in the seats. Well I hope there is another way because nobody is going to spend $500 to tailgate and watch a team of people they don't know lose.I do my part here and on the radio plus the pod cast. We need help expanding the base

[TBonesLU]

I understand going to watch one's kids play. That makes total sense. Of course if I ever planned to have kids, I'd be agreeing with you. I'm just saying if BC wins state in baseball next year, it wouldn't really mean much to me. I've washed my hands of them. I'm just saying if my dad was going around the BC baseball field still watching games 12 years after my brother graduated, I might find it odd. I'm not projecting that onto anyone else. I'm just saying it's what I would think. There is just a lot of animosity in me toward that school.

 

I realize some people may look at a lot of my posts on here as being consistently negative. I'm not a negative person. If you look at most of my posts, I'm actually trying to turn a lot of this "bashing" or criticism into positives for Lamar fans so we can enjoy talking Lamar. I realize I may be biased toward LU...can you blame me? :)

[TBonesLU]

The point I'm trying to make here is these stadiums sell out every week for there football. Now the Identity we need is that Lamar is There team. You said the stadiums where no where near the size of Lamar they are. Bonds are passed by fans going to the polls and voting. We need the fan bases of local schools to be Lamar fans also. Surely we all agree on that. the three schools I listed sell out every friday night and that's over thirty thousand people. we have to get those and Hardin county And Chambers Jasper....ect Right now the team has an incredibly loyal following but small. That fan base must be increased. The point about not fielding the team was rebutted by the money that has been put in to start it. I work for a company that makes millions a day and just laid sixty people off. Nothing is secure because it had start up funding. We have to keep football hot at Lamar. Right now LU football is like the new resturant you can't get in without waiting. One fly in the soup or tomany losses by a bunch of kids we don't know and you sit anywhere you want.To this point I ask where is the media campaigns? Why don't we see LU players everywhere doing something to get the word out. ( during the off season of course)Are we happy with where we sit or are we going to strive to grow. When I ask that we try to get more local kids fresh out of High School i was told that winning is what puts butts in the seats. Well I hope there is another way because nobody is going to spend $500 to tailgate and watch a team of people they don't know lose.I do my part here and on the radio plus the pod cast. We need help expanding the base

 

What about a team of people they don't know that is winning? Do you think people would attend those games? I'm not being a smart***, I'm actually curious as to what you think.

 

And to address the bold up above in the paragraph, I don't think Lamar football is that (yet). We don't need to let it get to that. I think right now because it's just come back to Beaumont, people are going to go. People need to be reassured that we aren't going to be a stellar program for a couple of years. It's inevitable. However, sell the experience rather than the fact that they are winning or not. Sell the fact that Lamar is a D-I school playing D-I football. I don't think people realize that unless it's brought up (people who aren't college sports followers). Boomer, you can be a great tool to Lamar having all of those capabilities at your disposal. Let's use this transitioning time of a couple of years to sell the experience and mentality of college football. I really don't like to admit it, but the locality and at-home feel is what people don't like to think about. Think about how many times per day you hear "I dislike (or hate) Beaumont", etc. They want to be sold as if it is a UT football game. So sell it that way. I'd never been to a college football game until I moved to Dallas, flew to Austin on a buddy pass with a friend, and went to a Texas game. I'm sure a lot of the locals haven't been to a game either. If it feels as though they are just going to watch the "local college of SETX", then it has no flash to it. There has to be a difference between Lamar and the local high schools, because this isn't high school football. Showcase the talent of the players (on both sides of the ball). I feel too many people are focused on the stats and whatnot right now. That stuff will take time to perfect. The reason we are being considered for the WAC is not our outstanding play on the field. It's what we can bring to an FBS conference as a university. I know we would get beat the first few years in a conference like that, so that's another thing people would have to stomach.

 

Anyway, that's it...

[Guest boomer]

I understand your post there is a different mentality in Mid-County. I thought that was odd to until I took my little boy to some practices.There were all kinds of people I know just hangign out and watching the practices. I think Mid-County has more of a country club mentality twards there schools.Nothing bad just different.

[TBonesLU]

I understand your post there is a different mentality in Mid-County. I thought that was odd to until I took my little boy to some practices.There were all kids of people I know just hangign out and watching the practices. I think Mid-County has more of a country club mentality twards there schools.Nothing bad just different.

 

I edited the post above, boomer. Let me know what you think.

[Guest boomer]

NICE!!!! You understand I have to work with Test. And the reason we are being considered for the WAC is the area High Schools. Don't kid yourself. This is no dis thats the same reason the SEC snatched up UT's little brother. That gives them a foothold in the area recruiting. The one we aren't utilizing.

[Guest CardAmbassador]

NICE!!!! You understand I have to work with Test. And the reason we are being considered for the WAC is the area High Schools. Don't kid yourself. This is no dis thats the same reason the SEC snatched up UT's little brother. That gives them a foothold in the area recruiting. The one we aren't utilizing.

 

This is not the case, it is only small, maybe 10% portion of the case. I've gone over the factors several times in the FBS thread.

 

And just a bone for all you folks, there are people talking to people. Those people might be people at Lamar and those other people might be people affiliated with athletic conferences. ;) ;) The world of college sports is really shaken up right now. These athletic conferences are covering all their bases.

[TBonesLU]

NICE!!!! You understand I have to work with Test. And the reason we are being considered for the WAC is the area High Schools. Don't kid yourself. This is no dis thats the same reason the SEC snatched up UT's little brother. That gives them a foothold in the area recruiting. The one we aren't utilizing.

 

What did you mean here about Test? And I'm assuming the "nice" was referring to my post?

[Guest boomer]

the Testament is one of the producers of my pod cast FANTASY NATION plug ;) plug ;) and yes loved the post.

[Guest bigred360]

People move and lives change and there are several people who were very successful players at their HS's that don't attend games at their alma mater. One, I know made it all the way to the NFL as a free agent and he doesn't attend LC-M games.

 

He works and lives in Nederland so the kiddo's attend NISD.

 

Now the one for sure thing to get people excited about Lamar football is winning and against the same level of competition.

 

You can do all the speeches at area HS's and to others in the community and I know the associate AD for athletic development and I promise you everything you mentioned they have done and then some.

[BigRedTrack]

The point I'm trying to make here is these stadiums sell out every week for there football. Now the Identity we need is that Lamar is There team. You said the stadiums where no where near the size of Lamar they are. Bonds are passed by fans going to the polls and voting. We need the fan bases of local schools to be Lamar fans also. Surely we all agree on that. the three schools I listed sell out every friday night and that's over thirty thousand people. we have to get those and Hardin county And Chambers Jasper....ect Right now the team has an incredibly loyal following but small. That fan base must be increased. The point about not fielding the team was rebutted by the money that has been put in to start it. I work for a company that makes millions a day and just laid sixty people off. Nothing is secure because it had start up funding. We have to keep football hot at Lamar. Right now LU football is like the new resturant you can't get in without waiting. One fly in the soup or tomany losses by a bunch of kids we don't know and you sit anywhere you want.To this point I ask where is the media campaigns? Why don't we see LU players everywhere doing something to get the word out. ( during the off season of course)Are we happy with where we sit or are we going to strive to grow. When I ask that we try to get more local kids fresh out of High School i was told that winning is what puts butts in the seats. Well I hope there is another way because nobody is going to spend $500 to tailgate and watch a team of people they don't know lose.I do my part here and on the radio plus the pod cast. We need help expanding the base

 

My experience is the mid-county stadiums only "sell-out" every other year when PNG & Nederland play each other. I've been going to Nederland games regularly for the past 15 years, and the visitors side has never sold out except for PNG game. Anyone who differs, can't see across the field. The visitor's side at PNG is seems smaller than at Nederland, so some other local schools maybe close to filling it up, but I can't imagine what local high schools (besides NHS) come close.

[Guest CardAmbassador]

People move and lives change and there are several people who were very successful players at their HS's that don't attend games at their alma mater. One, I know made it all the way to the NFL as a free agent and he doesn't attend LC-M games.

 

He works and lives in Nederland so the kiddo's attend NISD.

 

Now the one for sure thing to get people excited about Lamar football is winning and against the same level of competition.

 

You can do all the speeches at area HS's and to others in the community and I know the associate AD for athletic development and I promise you everything you mentioned they have done and then some.

 

Tic Price is doing some good stuff in the community check out the cardinals caring story in the Cardinal Sports forum if you haven't already.

 

As for HS, it's just not the same, especially with how terrible secondary education is these days. (I'm talking quality of the education you receive in HS)

 

Lamar football's identity is simply that it's Lamar's team and always will be. So if you went to Lamar, know someone who did, live in the golden triangle, or have some other unmentioned connection to the school then it's partially your team. I'm still in the honeymoon phase. I think things could be going much better on some fronts, especially team play, but we have positives like our game day environment and experience. We also have severe limitations and a speedy start up that was necessitated by the time frame put on this program to be competitive. It would have been nice to take an extra year to recruit but we didn't and like it or not it is going to have some negative effects.

 

So LU Football is Lamar's team that's their identity. If you went to Lamar or are connected to the school it's your team too.