TBonesLU Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Ray Woodard’s nine wins (9-14) are tied for the second-best two year start in Lamar history for a head coach. Vernon Glass, Lamar’s all-time winningest coach with 63 wins, led the Cards to 11 wins over his first two years. Woodard is tied with Larry Kennan who went 9-11-2 over his first two years. ^^^This is from the game notes vs. Prairie View A&M. It's nice to keep in mind that he is second in this stat, but also that he has accomplished that in two years as a start-up after 21 years of no team. I know the competition hasn't been overly impressive, but it's still something we can take from his tenure here so far. Quote
Guest Crawfish Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 IMO, the jury is still out on Coach Woddard because several of those wins were against non-FCS competition. The lopsided losses last year against league teams also put the team in a negative light. This year the Cards need to show they can compete against every Southland conference team, if not win at least make it a good game. If things look the same after the 2013 season.. there is definitely an issue. I think that Woodard gets a pass again this year, but next year progress needs to be seen. Quote
TBonesLU Posted September 7, 2012 Author Posted September 7, 2012 IMO, the jury is still out on Coach Woddard because several of those wins were against non-FCS competition. The lopsided losses last year against league teams also put the team in a negative light. This year the Cards need to show they can compete against every Southland conference team, if not win at least make it a good game. If things look the same after the 2013 season.. there is definitely an issue. I think that Woodard gets a pass again this year, but next year progress needs to be seen. Good post Quote
Mr.KnowItAll Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 I agree with crawfish's post. And would like to add Lamar has never had a good football team. For most of our football existence we have been bad so tied for 2nd in wins isn't saying much. We are shooting for more. Quote
puddin tane Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast Quote
coachacola Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Georgia State started in 2010 just like Lamar and they got killed at home by an average South Carolina State team from the MEAC conference. They also lost to a non-D1 team last year. They did beat Lamar in 2010, but that was a home game for them and Lamar almost pulled out a win. I agree with puddin tane, anymore blowout losses to SHSU and/or SFA will get him fired. But I think he'll be around for at least another year because next year's team will be an experienced group with high expectations. Quote
puddin tane Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr. Quote
Guest BigRed2010 Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr. ODU has done well, good for them. Not sure what the connection is to LU, though. Quote
cardinal Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr. ODU has done well, good for them. Not sure what the connection is to LU, though. really? you dont get the connection? Quote
Guest CardAmbassador Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 this whole thread is premature. Quote
Guest BigRed2010 Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr. ODU has done well, good for them. Not sure what the connection is to LU, though. really? you dont get the connection? The connection I get is that puddin is ready to run Coach Woodard off. I believe in giving a man a fair chance to succeed. Two years and one game into the third year is not fair IMO. Quote
puddin tane Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 ...coachacola made a reference to a start-up program...I made a reference to a start-up program :o Quote
Guest BigRed2010 Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast If they do beat us by 50, 60+ this year, it would be okay with you to fire him? Quote
BigNasty92 Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast If they do beat us by 50, 60+ this year, it would be okay with you to fire him? If they do again this year, I think he gets a pass because of the coaching changes and new offense, etc... Next year? ABSOLUTELY. Quote
JJWooten Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast If they do beat us by 50, 60+ this year, it would be okay with you to fire him? If they do again this year, I think he gets a pass because of the coaching changes and new offense, etc... Next year? ABSOLUTELY. That's the problem, every year you can blame it on some other facet, but at the end of the day, he's responsible for the WHOLE program. At some point, he'll become the only common denominator. Quote
puddin tane Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 I am not ready to get rid of him today--I'm hoping for good things this year we get sixty- zipped by a SLC program this year..yes, I would support firing Woodard --but as CA said, its premature Quote
TBonesLU Posted September 8, 2012 Author Posted September 8, 2012 I am not ready to get rid of him today--I'm hoping for good things this year we get sixty- zipped by a SLC program this year..yes, I would support firing Woodard --but as CA said, its premature Premature as it may be, I saw that it was in the game notes and thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Quote
jdcurran235 Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 IT IS NOT PREMATURE!! We will be judging him all year. If we do not see improvement from last year to this year, I am not sure that he is here next year. This is exactly when we should be having these discussions. He might buy himself another year if he can show improvement this year, but 50 or 60 point blowouts will not buy him another year. Or at least I hope it doesn't. I support the program either way, but he has been getting his chance this year and for the last three years. Quote
Guest CardAmbassador Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast If they do beat us by 50, 60+ this year, it would be okay with you to fire him? If they do again this year, I think he gets a pass because of the coaching changes and new offense, etc... Next year? ABSOLUTELY. That's the problem, every year you can blame it on some other facet, but at the end of the day, he's responsible for the WHOLE program. At some point, he'll become the only common denominator. If you don't give people a few years to get a program going no good coaches are going to want to come here. Think about it. Lamar is bad right now. We fire Woodard and look for a new coach, all those coaches are going to see us as impatient and we're not going to get as good of a candidate pool. We're only 2 games into the season not enough to judge the season by yet. I don't see us losing by 60 to any conference opponent this year though. Quote
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