Time for cooler heads to prevail!!!

[Guest LU 17]

i agree with most of what sleepy is saying.i dont agree with the recruiting part though.every message board in the country has negative posting on it about there coaches and players.i saw a few weeks ago where sam houston wanted to fire there o-cordinator after there 1st loss.it happens.fans are passionate.do i want woodard fired?no,not right now.but he has got to show some improvement asap.

 

 

This.

 

Message boards do not decide where a recruit ends up.

[Guest LU 17]

Sleepy, I played football at LU. I wasn't a part of rebuilding a golf program, so I can't say much about that. I can tell you I played for a new head coach. I tell you this to say these coaches are not putting it together. We have gone back in our program. If we had seen some progress...just a little, i think everbody would agree that time is all we need. That has not been the case. Dont say we are competitive. Thats what losing programs say. Most of the regular people that post on BRI are very intelligent in regards to LU football and football in general. So they do understand and do know LU football. We have first class facilities and a decent fan base. We all want to win and our team does not look prepared. We are better than this.

[Guest LU 17]

Sorry, I read that first post and got fired up. Cooler heads prevailing...I really expected when we started conference play, we would open up on offense. Throw deep, break some big runs...something. Heck, at this point a couple trick plays...nothing. I think Langston exposed our secondary. UCA is throwing a ton this year. That could be a serious problem. I still think we finish the year with this staff, but start looking in the mean time. All I think anybody wanted was progress. We have not shown that and that is on the coaches. How long we gonna use this we are a start up program excuse. UTSA is 5-0.

[red rover]

We all want to win and our team does not look prepared.

 

Agree 100%. I have said that to my wife since the first game at ULL.

[sleepy]

@puddin tane You could not be more wrong about the golf course. If it is a golf course with alot of character and good things surrounding it and they are working hard on it I can promise you I would be back.

 

That is what our program is. It is a brand new program with all of the things finally in place to recruit and get players here that were not here 3 years ago. I don't think firing our coach is the solution. I think patience is. Just my opinion.

[jettyman]

3 coaches in 5 years is what I experienced at Lamar and let me assure you it was not pleasant. In fact, I declined to play my last year of redshirt eligibility. Almost 30 yrs removed I will never forget when Keenan called us up and informed us he was moving on. So, who did the higher above decide to hire Ken Stephen. I watched a 120 man roster reduced to a dismal 55. Heck, we didn't even have enough for a spring game. Be careful for what you wish for, you never know what you going to get in return. With a dog in the hunt, I certainly don't want my son to experience what I had to endure. Winning is the ultimate measurable clause but there are so many other factors to consider before a change is made.

[sleepy]

Phenomenal post!

[jdcurran235]

Don't forget that Woodard has actually been here 5 years. And had a good 4 years of solid recruiting.

[sleepy]

Yes and what he recruited to for the first year and half was a total joke. All he could do is TELL players what they would have and kids can't invision that.

[puddin tane]

so, lets keep "bad"..cuz we are scared of "worse"?

 

thinking like that would still have Bob Frederick coaching, Kennan never been hired...

 

and Saturday was Bob Frederick bad

[geezer]

While I am disappointed in the performance and think Woodard should be on a short lease, Jettyman is correct that starting a roller coaster of coaching changes will hurt the program for the long haul. When you look at all the factors, starting a program without all the facilites in place, first year no games, an FCS program it is not hard to understand why we don't have the size and stregnth players we need to really be successful. Though with that said, there are many things that indicate we probably don't have the coaching team in place that will get us to where we the finickey fans want to be. It may be tough to stomach but I can take this and one more year to let Ray's contract expire before making a change.

[BigRedTrack]

I agree with Geezer. What I am really down on the program about is that Woodard complained about the fans (or lack of) at the SELa game and blamed that as part of the loss. It pisses me off when coaches (or anyone else) blame others for their failures. He acknowledges his players are playing hard, so to me it is some combination of talent, leadership, and coaching. Remember about chunking the coach down the road, Texas A&M chunked R.C. Slocum, hired Frantastic along with upgrading the facilities, and they have not recovered from that coaching change yet.

[Guest Crawfish]

My opinion of the coaching staff's performance has not changed as the year has progressed. I posted a couple of weeks ago that I felt that the coaching staff will get a pass this season. Up until this weekend, the team had done exactly as I expected. If anyone here expected them to compete against the FBS teams, I think you are a bit naive. No offense intended, but there is just a big difference in talent level and depth that Lamar could not overcome. I expected Lamar to win against the sub D1 level team and the SWAC team. I really think this game against Southeastern was the first test for the Cards. Even though I was disapointed at the results, I am not ready to declare this season a bust. Regardless of what happens from here on, I think the staff will have another year.

 

Having said that... Next season they should look like a legitimate contender in every Southland game. If not, then there needs to be a hard look at what they are trying to do. I am not saying they have to win the conference next season, but they darn sure should show that they are in most of the games and win at least half of their conference games. These are reasonable expectations that I think the coaching staff would agree with. That is my opinion for whatever it is worth.

[cardinal]

3 coaches in 5 years is what I experienced at Lamar and let me assure you it was not pleasant. In fact, I declined to play my last year of redshirt eligibility. Almost 30 yrs removed I will never forget when Keenan called us up and informed us he was moving on. So, who did the higher above decide to hire Ken Stephen. I watched a 120 man roster reduced to a dismal 55. Heck, we didn't even have enough for a spring game. Be careful for what you wish for, you never know what you going to get in return. With a dog in the hunt, I certainly don't want my son to experience what I had to endure. Winning is the ultimate measurable clause but there are so many other factors to consider before a change is made.

 

Boo hoo hoo. Welcome to life.

[cardinal]

I agree with Geezer. What I am really down on the program about is that Woodard complained about the fans (or lack of) at the SELa game and blamed that as part of the loss. It pisses me off when coaches (or anyone else) blame others for their failures. He acknowledges his players are playing hard, so to me it is some combination of talent, leadership, and coaching. Remember about chunking the coach down the road, Texas A&M chunked R.C. Slocum, hired Frantastic along with upgrading the facilities, and they have not recovered from that coaching change yet.

 

I am not saying I agree with him but THE FAN SUPPORT LAST WEEK WAS PITIFUL, PATHETIC, EMBARRASSING, DISGUSTING, SHAMEFUL, HORRIFIC, ETC ETC ETC

[cardinal]

My opinion of the coaching staff's performance has not changed as the year has progressed. I posted a couple of weeks ago that I felt that the coaching staff will get a pass this season. Up until this weekend, the team had done exactly as I expected. If anyone here expected them to compete against the FBS teams, I think you are a bit naive. No offense intended, but there is just a big difference in talent level and depth that Lamar could not overcome. I expected Lamar to win against the sub D1 level team and the SWAC team. I really think this game against Southeastern was the first test for the Cards. Even though I was disapointed at the results, I am not ready to declare this season a bust. Regardless of what happens from here on, I think the staff will have another year.

 

Having said that... Next season they should look like a legitimate contender in every Southland game. If not, then there needs to be a hard look at what they are trying to do. I am not saying they have to win the conference next season, but they darn sure should show that they are in most of the games and win at least half of their conference games. These are reasonable expectations that I think the coaching staff would agree with. That is my opinion for whatever it is worth.

 

You know, one thing I get sick and tired of hearing is how impossible it is for a lowly FCS school to compete with a might FBS school...sorry but that is total BS. Granted a top level FCS school cannot hang with a top level FBS school. But there are FCS schools that can play with FBS schools and there are many cases of FCS schools beating FBS schools. So, take your load of bunk somewhere else. We played ULL not Alabama. We played the current day Hawaii not the high powered Hawaii of old. Ask BYU how awesome Hawaii is.

[Guest LU 17]

The fan support was bad for the last game. Heck, I almost didn't go because of the 100 percent chance of rain. But I did go. And Jettyman, I understand about your son being recruited and playing for the same coach. I was recruited by Kennen and Carl Smith, but you know who was there when I arrived. Sure wish we could have gotten rid of Stephens earlier, because he wasted a lot of talent. I would hate to see that with this staff. I again would like to say that I want this staff to succeed. It takes too long to start over, but we lost to a lower end conf opponent. It really wasn't that close. We had two drives and that was really it. To think we will be better next year, I ask why would you think that? We didn't improve from last year. Or, are we going to hope that everyone gets worse next year. Good luck with that.

[puddin tane]

did i expect us to beat UL-L? no..hawaii? No? did i expect us to lay an egg vs ? SELA? Hell no

 

what we have now is a mediocre NAIA team...middle of the road SWAC..last place SLC

 

 

[jettyman]

3 coaches in 5 years is what I experienced at Lamar and let me assure you it was not pleasant. In fact, I declined to play my last year of redshirt eligibility. Almost 30 yrs removed I will never forget when Keenan called us up and informed us he was moving on. So, who did the higher above decide to hire Ken Stephen. I watched a 120 man roster reduced to a dismal 55. Heck, we didn't even have enough for a spring game. Be careful for what you wish for, you never know what you going to get in return. With a dog in the hunt, I certainly don't want my son to experience what I had to endure. Winning is the ultimate measurable clause but there are so many other factors to consider before a change is made.

 

Boo hoo hoo. Welcome to life.

 

Now there is an intelligent response.

[QB 22]

Why did you throw in the towel your redshirt year you could have made a difference, seems you quit on the team just like the 3 or ever how many coaches!! Just sayin!!

[jettyman]

Why did you throw in the towel your redshirt year you could have made a difference, seems you quit on the team just like the 3 or ever how many coaches!! Just sayin!!

 

It blows my mind when folks make blind statements when they don't have a clue about the extenuating circumstances. QUIT is a strong word and I assure if you asked anybody that knows me they would tell you that label is not synonymous to my character.

 

Is Kevin Durant a quitter, played one year of basketball at Texas, then left his team. No, he explored his options and then made a decision which was best for him and his family.

 

Again, my point is when change is made it goes one or two ways, bad or good. Although, change can be viewed as a spoon that refreshes the gravy but some recipes require to be folded less often. By the way, for the past 4 decades Lamar hasn't been able to pinpoint the right fit into this position. Remember, you guys that are dangling the nooses, some of the same people who hired Ray will be hiring the next guy.

 

Change can good but constant turnover will result in chaos. I work with 500 kids a day and the most important element to my classroom is consistency.

 

I am not saying we should not accept long-term losing but I personally believe it is a tad early to be calling for Coach Woodard's job.

 

 

 

I often wonder how

[sleepy]

Another great post jettyman. Have all these guys look over at our basketball program for the last 20 years and see what happens when you fire a guy every 3 or 4 years. It takes 20 or 25 to find a decent one!!!!! This is what will happen with the football program if we follow that same recipe!

[puddin tane]

in your world...Tony Branch and Bob Frederick would still be coaching?

 

[jettyman]

in your world...Tony Branch and Bob Frederick would still be coaching?

 

Not my world just my opinion. I disagree with you and you disagree with me and in the grand scheme of things, we do not matter.

[QB 22]

Please accept my apology!! It was wrong for me to post what I did and I apologize for it!!