*Rumored Lamar to FBS discussion*

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So with five former SLC members and La Tech the WAC is a stronger conference than the Sun Belt. It looks more like an FBS SLC with no reason for a TV network to prop it up with $$$ for a TV package. I am not sure either the WAC or SBC will be a good option. Unfortanately it will probably be the only option.

 

As sad as it is to say, yes. Don't forget about NMSU. The WAC teams might look bad if you consider their records but consider who they were playing each year: Hawaii, Boise, Nevada, Fresno. Those teams are all solid FBS teams (middle of the road or better)

 

Plus, people may hate to hear it but UTSA and TxSt-SM are probably going to be pretty good teams, they have both done things right IMO for teams moving up to the FBS level. I don't know if they will compete the first year but I don't expect it to take very long. Look at the TxSt recruiting, they're doing very well with their 2012 class.

 

Plus I expect the Sun Belt to loose more teams than the WAC, that has alot to do with their foot print . Just how I see things, alot of my opinion is based on how certain teams will handle this transition.

[BigRed98]

So with five former SLC members and La Tech the WAC is a stronger conference than the Sun Belt. It looks more like an FBS SLC with no reason for a TV network to prop it up with $$$ for a TV package. I am not sure either the WAC or SBC will be a good option. Unfortanately it will probably be the only option.

 

I agree with CA again. From what I've read, the Big XII would probably strip C-USA, and a few other teams here and there, to rebuild. C-USA would then strip the SBC, leaving the likes of ULL behind. One prediction even had ULL to C-USA, though I think that's far fetched with other's suggesting ULL and ULM should drop down to FCS.

[geezer]

I am notsure that both the WAC and SBC survive. Just as most of the vocal members on this board don't want Division II teams joining the SLC to fill it back out to a twelve school conference is it not more likely for C-USA, the SBC and WAC to take what is left over and form one or two conferences without bringing in any more FCS schools to lower their status within the FBS.

[BigRed98]

I am notsure that both the WAC and SBC survive. Just as most of the vocal members on this board don't want Division II teams joining the SLC to fill it back out to a twelve school conference is it not more likely for C-USA, the SBC and WAC to take what is left over and form one or two conferences without bringing in any more FCS schools to lower their status within the FBS.

 

I don't know how possible it is, but the thought has crossed my mind. One article suggested that the Big 12 is the conference that would dissolve.

[Guest CardAmbassador]

I am notsure that both the WAC and SBC survive. Just as most of the vocal members on this board don't want Division II teams joining the SLC to fill it back out to a twelve school conference is it not more likely for C-USA, the SBC and WAC to take what is left over and form one or two conferences without bringing in any more FCS schools to lower their status within the FBS.

 

I don't know how possible it is, but the thought has crossed my mind. One article suggested that the Big 12 is the conference that would dissolve.

 

There are quite a few possibilities, just some seem more plausible to me than others. I don't think with the amount of SBC teams, there will be so many taken from it that it would need to merge with another conference to survive. I think they lose around three teams or so and then in time they expand back to a larger number and LU would be a good candidate if or when they decided to do that.

 

Really no one knows what is going to happen and geezer could be just as right as you or I. The only constant is change.

[Cplatt]

This is the reason why we need to have a big year. College football is a "what have you done for me lately" business. We win and win big with a full house and then some, then we become marketable. We are in a Houston market and that could bode well for recruiting and exposure. With all the reshuffling next year, it is key we shine so we can possible sneak into FBS as a flavor of the month type deal. Baseball team will always be comepetative ragardless of the confrerence and Pat Knight will get the Montagne upgraded and filled by winning games and the "Knight" name. Expanding Provost and the Montagne as well as renovation of the Beck will be the ice breaker. We need to be able to put 50K in the stadium, i think it can be done. Its all about the money guys.

CPlatt

[Guest Crawfish]

Big Red98 said:

 

"I agree with CA again. From what I've read, the Big XII would probably strip C-USA, and a few other teams here and there, to rebuild. C-USA would then strip the SBC, leaving the likes of ULL behind. One prediction even had ULL to C-USA, though I think that's far fetched with other's suggesting ULL and ULM should drop down to FCS."

 

UL Lafayette has no reason to drop down. Their worst year of attendance was this past season, and they still averaged around 17K. Baseball and softball attendance are consistently in the top 20 in the country and basketball averaged about 5500 last season. They have just hired a new highly regarded football coach and raised his salary to around 350K per year + possible incentives. Of course you know about the basketball coach they hired a couple of years back from (SHSU)The have recently spent 2 million updating their softball field are in the process of renovating the track facility and the already nice baseball field will be done after next season. Cajun field holds 31000 already, but plans are in the works to redo the upper deck on to allow for luxury suites and also add seating to the end zones. As far as success in football, the Cajuns went 3-9 last season, (the worst for several years) but went 6-6 in 2009. The Ragin Cajun Athletic fund was established a couple of years ago and is growing every year. UL Lafayette's endowment is around 120 million and some of that is also devoted to athletic. The Cajuns are not going to drop down.

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Big Red98 said:

 

"I agree with CA again. From what I've read, the Big XII would probably strip C-USA, and a few other teams here and there, to rebuild. C-USA would then strip the SBC, leaving the likes of ULL behind. One prediction even had ULL to C-USA, though I think that's far fetched with other's suggesting ULL and ULM should drop down to FCS."

 

UL Lafayette has no reason to drop down. Their worst year of attendance was this past season, and they still averaged around 17K. Baseball and softball attendance are consistently in the top 20 in the country and basketball averaged about 5500 last season. They have just hired a new highly regarded football coach and raised his salary to around 350K per year + possible incentives. Of course you know about the basketball coach they hired a couple of years back from (SHSU)The have recently spent 2 million updating their softball field are in the process of renovating the track facility and the already nice baseball field will be done after next season. Cajun field holds 31000 already, but plans are in the works to redo the upper deck on to allow for luxury suites and also add seating to the end zones. As far as success in football, the Cajuns went 3-9 last season, (the worst for several years) but went 6-6 in 2009. The Ragin Cajun Athletic fund was established a couple of years ago and is growing every year. UL Lafayette's endowment is around 120 million and some of that is also devoted to athletic. The Cajuns are not going to drop down.

 

I think he said it was far fetched.

[Guest Crawfish]

OK, I thought he meant that it was farfetched that they would get a C-USA invitation, which I agree with except in the event of a massive implosion involving the Big East. I do agree that ULM could possibly drop down simply because they are severely underfunded and the prospects of new funding are slim. Other than football, ULM brings very little to the table. I have said this before, but conferences look at ALL sports when considering realignment.

 

FYI, I am hearing that the Belt is considering Appalachian State for membership. If this happens, they may add another member in the West as well.

[BigRedTrack]

Big Red98 said:

 

"I agree with CA again. From what I've read, the Big XII would probably strip C-USA, and a few other teams here and there, to rebuild. C-USA would then strip the SBC, leaving the likes of ULL behind. One prediction even had ULL to C-USA, though I think that's far fetched with other's suggesting ULL and ULM should drop down to FCS."

 

UL Lafayette has no reason to drop down. Their worst year of attendance was this past season, and they still averaged around 17K. Baseball and softball attendance are consistently in the top 20 in the country and basketball averaged about 5500 last season. They have just hired a new highly regarded football coach and raised his salary to around 350K per year + possible incentives. Of course you know about the basketball coach they hired a couple of years back from (SHSU)The have recently spent 2 million updating their softball field are in the process of renovating the track facility and the already nice baseball field will be done after next season. Cajun field holds 31000 already, but plans are in the works to redo the upper deck on to allow for luxury suites and also add seating to the end zones. As far as success in football, the Cajuns went 3-9 last season, (the worst for several years) but went 6-6 in 2009. The Ragin Cajun Athletic fund was established a couple of years ago and is growing every year. UL Lafayette's endowment is around 120 million and some of that is also devoted to athletic. The Cajuns are not going to drop down.

 

Agree. The Cajun will not drop down.

[LU1991]

A&M spokesman denies school sent withdrawal letter

 

COLLEGE STATION, Texas (AP)—Texas A&M said Tuesday it has not sent a letter of withdrawal to the Big 12 Conference.

 

The brief statement by school spokesman Jason Cook comes a day after The New York Times said in a story posted on its Web site Monday night that university President R. Bowen Loftin sent a letter to Missouri Chancellor and Big 12 board chairman Brady Deaton to inform the league it was leaving. The report cited two unidentified college officials with direct knowledge of the decision.

 

I can't wait for this Aggie drama to be over. Pull it like a Band-Aid.

[BigRed98]

As I said before, I'd like us to go FBS for what it would do for the whole area. I've been thinking though. What would be so wrong with trying to become the big fish in a small pond? What if LU could become the next Montana? I guess we'd still need to conference jump.

[BigRedTrack]

A&M spokesman denies school sent withdrawal letter

 

COLLEGE STATION, Texas (AP)—Texas A&M said Tuesday it has not sent a letter of withdrawal to the Big 12 Conference.

 

The brief statement by school spokesman Jason Cook comes a day after The New York Times said in a story posted on its Web site Monday night that university President R. Bowen Loftin sent a letter to Missouri Chancellor and Big 12 board chairman Brady Deaton to inform the league it was leaving. The report cited two unidentified college officials with direct knowledge of the decision.

 

I can't wait for this Aggie drama to be over. Pull it like a Band-Aid.

 

New York Times - when was the last time those guys at that piece of crap paper got anything right?

[Guest CardAmbassador]

As I said before, I'd like us to go FBS for what it would do for the whole area. I've been thinking though. What would be so wrong with trying to become the big fish in a small pond? What if LU could become the next Montana? I guess we'd still need to conference jump.

 

You asked a good question and then hit the crux of the new problem in the process. If LU were in Montana's shoes I wouldn't move up either.

 

Think about it you have a championship team with a great in state rival, you've got great fan support (for how many people are in Montana 20k plus is really good) You already have national exposure because many people know about your program's success.

 

Now the crux of the problem was that Montana is in one of the premier FCS conferences therefore they can recruit good enough players to be a NC contender year in an year out. The SLC is a middle of the road FCS conference. What FCS conference are we going to join that will give us a chance to be a big fish in a small pond? I don't know of one close by.

 

I'm fine with where we are right now but in the future we need to be ready to move, continuing to build up the campus and it's surroundings while getting more competitive in the SLC is the first step. Who knows something might happen after this season, I think it's possible.

[austin badbyrd]

Now that A&M's withdrawl from the Big 12 is now official, the dominos will begin to fall......

[jdcurran235]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move

 

More interesting realignment info

[jdcurran235]

Chip Brown

Orangebloods.com Columnist

Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres

10 AM - Was just told by two Big 12 administrators the SEC now wants all nine schools in the Big 12 to sign a waiver saying they will not sue the Southeastern Conference over the depature of Texas A&M to the SEC.

 

And I'm told the Big 12 schools will not sign those waivers.

 

Texas A&M has confirmed to Orangebloods.com that a celebration planned for today in College Station to announce Texas A&M as the 13th member has been postponed indefinitely until the threat of litigation can be resolved.

 

"At this time, we do not intend on making an announcement today," said A&M spokesman Jason Cook. "But the situation is extremely fluid."

 

Things could get sticky because a letter on Sept. 2 from Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe to SEC commissioner Mike Slive said that the Big 12 would waive the right to any litigation against the SEC as long as he Aggies were members of the SEC by 5 p.m. on Sept. 8 (Thursday).

 

Beebe sent a letter back to Slive on Tuesday saying the waiver in that Sept. 2 letter applied only to the Big 12 Conference and was not binding to the Big 12's member schools.

 

The SEC was contacted on Tuesday by lawyers representing Baylor that BU did not intend to waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.

 

The SEC then admitted Texas A&M as the 13th member of the conference contingent upon the SEC being released from any legal liability by the nine member schools in the Big 12.

 

And I'm being told there's no way all the schools will sign such a waiver.

 

Stay tuned.

 

8:30 AM - Here is the statement issued by Florida president Bernie Machen, chair of the Southeastern Conference presidents and chancellors board, on Texas A&M's (contingent) acceptance into the SEC:

 

 

"After receiving unanimous written assurance from the Big 12 on September 2 that the Southeastern Conference was free to accept Texas A&M to join as a new member, the presidents and chancellors of the SEC met last night with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC.

 

"We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action.

 

"The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."

 

6:15 AM WEDNESDAY - Multiple sources say Baylor is the school the SEC is most concerned about when it comes to the threat of a lawsuit. One source said Baylor is seriously considering a lawsuit against the SEC alleging the acquisition of Texas A&M would set off a domino effect in realignment that would result in hundreds of millions of dollars in damages to schools across the country.

 

The source also said Baylor would consider a lawsuit against Mike Slive personally.

 

Obviously, the SEC is taking this seriously because the presidents in that league made their vote to admit Texas A&M contingent on the individual member schools in the Big 12 signing a waiver not to sue the SEC.

 

 

 

12:15 AM WEDNESDAY - Hold everything folks.

 

The Southeastern Conference presidents met Tuesday night and voted to admit Texas A&M. But the vote came with a stipulation that still must be worked out.

 

The SEC presidents voted to admit Texas A&M as the 13th member of that league so long as each individual member of the Big 12 waives its right to litigation against the SEC.

 

And it was unclear Tuesday night if all nine remaining members of the Big 12 would waive that right, sources said. The Big 12 schools were expected to discuss the matter on Wednesday, sources said. That's the same day Texas A&M has planned a celebration in College Station to announce its admission into the SEC, sources said.

 

If even one of the Big 12 schools refuse to waive their right to sue the SEC over its courtship of Texas A&M, the SEC could withdraw its vote to admit A&M, sources said.

 

After letters were exchanged by SEC commissioner Mike Slive and Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe Tuesday, Beebe told Slive the Big 12 conference office had waived its right to litigate against Texas A&M or the SEC but that the Big 12's waiver was not binding on the individual members of the Big 12, sources said.

 

The SEC indicated it would admit Texas A&M only upon condition that each individual member of the Big 12 waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.

 

And that condition was in doubt Tuesday night, sources said.

 

Stay tuned.

[Guest CardAmbassador]

Chip Brown

Orangebloods.com Columnist

Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres

10 AM - Was just told by two Big 12 administrators the SEC now wants all nine schools in the Big 12 to sign a waiver saying they will not sue the Southeastern Conference over the depature of Texas A&M to the SEC.

 

And I'm told the Big 12 schools will not sign those waivers.

 

Texas A&M has confirmed to Orangebloods.com that a celebration planned for today in College Station to announce Texas A&M as the 13th member has been postponed indefinitely until the threat of litigation can be resolved.

 

"At this time, we do not intend on making an announcement today," said A&M spokesman Jason Cook. "But the situation is extremely fluid."

 

Things could get sticky because a letter on Sept. 2 from Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe to SEC commissioner Mike Slive said that the Big 12 would waive the right to any litigation against the SEC as long as he Aggies were members of the SEC by 5 p.m. on Sept. 8 (Thursday).

 

Beebe sent a letter back to Slive on Tuesday saying the waiver in that Sept. 2 letter applied only to the Big 12 Conference and was not binding to the Big 12's member schools.

 

The SEC was contacted on Tuesday by lawyers representing Baylor that BU did not intend to waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.

 

The SEC then admitted Texas A&M as the 13th member of the conference contingent upon the SEC being released from any legal liability by the nine member schools in the Big 12.

 

And I'm being told there's no way all the schools will sign such a waiver.

 

Stay tuned.

 

8:30 AM - Here is the statement issued by Florida president Bernie Machen, chair of the Southeastern Conference presidents and chancellors board, on Texas A&M's (contingent) acceptance into the SEC:

 

 

"After receiving unanimous written assurance from the Big 12 on September 2 that the Southeastern Conference was free to accept Texas A&M to join as a new member, the presidents and chancellors of the SEC met last night with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC.

 

"We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action.

 

"The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."

 

6:15 AM WEDNESDAY - Multiple sources say Baylor is the school the SEC is most concerned about when it comes to the threat of a lawsuit. One source said Baylor is seriously considering a lawsuit against the SEC alleging the acquisition of Texas A&M would set off a domino effect in realignment that would result in hundreds of millions of dollars in damages to schools across the country.

 

The source also said Baylor would consider a lawsuit against Mike Slive personally.

 

Obviously, the SEC is taking this seriously because the presidents in that league made their vote to admit Texas A&M contingent on the individual member schools in the Big 12 signing a waiver not to sue the SEC.

 

 

 

12:15 AM WEDNESDAY - Hold everything folks.

 

The Southeastern Conference presidents met Tuesday night and voted to admit Texas A&M. But the vote came with a stipulation that still must be worked out.

 

The SEC presidents voted to admit Texas A&M as the 13th member of that league so long as each individual member of the Big 12 waives its right to litigation against the SEC.

 

And it was unclear Tuesday night if all nine remaining members of the Big 12 would waive that right, sources said. The Big 12 schools were expected to discuss the matter on Wednesday, sources said. That's the same day Texas A&M has planned a celebration in College Station to announce its admission into the SEC, sources said.

 

If even one of the Big 12 schools refuse to waive their right to sue the SEC over its courtship of Texas A&M, the SEC could withdraw its vote to admit A&M, sources said.

 

After letters were exchanged by SEC commissioner Mike Slive and Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe Tuesday, Beebe told Slive the Big 12 conference office had waived its right to litigate against Texas A&M or the SEC but that the Big 12's waiver was not binding on the individual members of the Big 12, sources said.

 

The SEC indicated it would admit Texas A&M only upon condition that each individual member of the Big 12 waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.

 

And that condition was in doubt Tuesday night, sources said.

 

Stay tuned.

 

JDCurran this post was already moved to the college forum.

[TBonesLU]

I don't know why my comment got deleted...I didn't mean that disrespectfully. I was actually asking if this would potentially change anything for LU.

[Guest CardAmbassador]

I don't know why my comment got deleted...I didn't mean that disrespectfully. I was actually asking if this would potentially change anything for LU.

 

Nothing got deleted, it was moved to another forum. Go to the college sports forum and your post is still there.

[Bearkat25]

I don’t know how you Cards feel about college realignment but to me it doesn’t look good for any school not already in a BCS conference. I was always one who denied the idea that one day we would have a 4 team superconference but now it has become blatantly obvious that that is the way we are headed. The winners of this deal are the schools being invited to the superconfercnes and of course Texas going independent.

 

Biggest losers in Superconference realignment:

 

1) Current FBS schools not mentioned as targets for expansion: Baylor, TCU, UH, South Florida, Cincinnati, etc.

 

2) All FCS schools looking to “jump” to FBS. UTSA, Txst and others are jumping to the new FCS conference affiliation.

 

 

I’m just curious do any of you on here think that the new “superconferences” is good for LU?

[Guest CardAmbassador]

I don’t know how you Cards feel about college realignment but to me it doesn’t look good for any school not already in a BCS conference. I was always one who denied the idea that one day we would have a 4 team superconference but now it has become blatantly obvious that that is the way we are headed. The winners of this deal are the schools being invited to the superconfercnes and of course Texas going independent.

 

Biggest losers in Superconference realignment:

 

1) Current FBS schools not mentioned as targets for expansion: Baylor, TCU, UH, South Florida, Cincinnati, etc.

 

2) All FCS schools looking to “jump” to FBS. UTSA, Txst and others are jumping to the new FCS conference affiliation.

 

 

I’m just curious do any of you on here think that the new “superconferences” is good for LU?

 

I'm worried too, I've kind of been happily neglecting the super conference stuff now that LU football is back.

 

I see scenarios where it's bad for us and scenarios where it may be good. The current landscape is too much of an enigma for me to crack.

 

If the Sun Belt is eventually raided but stays intact this seems like a really good scenario for both our schools. But what if there are only a few shuffles at the top? Then it might be really bad.

[Bearkat25]

I don’t know how you Cards feel about college realignment but to me it doesn’t look good for any school not already in a BCS conference. I was always one who denied the idea that one day we would have a 4 team superconference but now it has become blatantly obvious that that is the way we are headed. The winners of this deal are the schools being invited to the superconfercnes and of course Texas going independent.

 

Biggest losers in Superconference realignment:

 

1) Current FBS schools not mentioned as targets for expansion: Baylor, TCU, UH, South Florida, Cincinnati, etc.

 

2) All FCS schools looking to “jump” to FBS. UTSA, Txst and others are jumping to the new FCS conference affiliation.

 

 

I’m just curious do any of you on here think that the new “superconferences” is good for LU?

 

I'm worried too, I've kind of been happily neglecting the super conference stuff now that LU football is back.

 

I see scenarios where it's bad for us and scenarios where it may be good. The current landscape is too much of an enigma for me to crack.

 

If the Sun Belt is eventually raided but stays in tack this seems like a really good scenario for both our schools. But what if there are only a few shuffles at the top? Then it might be really bad.

 

Yeah but how can it be good for LU and SHSU?

[Guest CardAmbassador]

Good scenario: No conferences fail, ACC, and C-USA are raided by super conferences. In turn ACC and C-USA must back fill, one will poach of the other likely, then in order for the other to survive (likely the C-USA, they might need to take WAC or Sun Belt teams. Both of these conferences (WAC and SBC) if they were forced to back fill would probably have to use FCS move ups exclusively. SHSU and LU have to be at the top of the list for some one wanting to get into Texas.

[BigRed98]

A while back, I read someone predict a total change in the NCAA landscape. Instead of a two tier system (FBS, FCS), they predicted a three tier system. The top tier would be a few (2 to 4) super-conferences, which would crown the national champion. The mid tier would be the remaining FBS schools and possibly the FBS hopefuls like LU and SHSU, which would still carry the non-BCS bowl games. The bottom tier would be the FCS tier.

 

I don't know that I believe that this is very likely, but it is excellent for speculation.