TexGator Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Let's get this back on subject. The subject is "talk of Lamar moving up to FBS". I think that Lamar can hang in FBS if they continue on the path they're going. But, I think we need ot make sure the Cards do everything they can to make sure they compete with the teams on their own schedule... preferably beating more than their share. We can't be happy with moral victories after this year. 1st Year - only really looking for moral victories. 2nd Year - look to win, but don't cry if better teams (who also have a lot more experience) beat you 3rd Year - better start winning some dang games
coachacola Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 The goal of Dr. Simmons is to go FBS so that's probably going to happen in the next few years. In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter how well we did against USA. Right now with the way conferences are changing it's hard to say who'll be in the WAC or whatever FBS conference ends up in.
ThePrisoner Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Interesting comment by Justin, the Admin over at the BobcatReport.com: Karl Benson is expected to be in attendance for this game. Once a compromise is reached with the western schools we will see Lamar get an invite. Link: http://texasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2792&tid=148161608&mid=148161608&sid=1217&style=2 HOLY $&(^ That is awesome! Card, it's official - Benson will be at the TxSt/LU game. Bring lots of fans, be loud! http://www.txstatebobcats.com/sports/2011/10/8/FB_1008113713.aspx?id=282
Guest CardAmbassador Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Look at Lamar's three home game attendances then tell me if you think it's suspicious.
LUSportsFan Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Look at Lamar's three home game attendances then tell me if you think it's suspicious. I've been wondering the same thing. Since it is based on paid attendance, just wondering if someone or a group committed to guaranteeing the 15,367 number. If so, that's great that we would have commitment like that. On the other hand, even with some of the disappointing plays, it would be better to have fans turn out in numbers that a guarantee would not be required. There have been some outstanding plays as well such as JJ Hays's performance and the great run by Octavius Logan on Saturday. Cardinal football is a great way to spend a Saturday. In addition to the game, there are a lot of other things going on. 1. Tail-gating and other pregame activities outside the stadium 2. Great pre game Lamar band performance 3. Great Lamar band half time band performance 4. Fireworks display following the band Not only that, the concessions are good.
Guest CardAmbassador Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Teams at the FBS have to average 15k. Why is someone guaranteeing 15k unless we are going FBS sooner than we think? I'm not saying that is the case but that is a very suspicious trend. I agree the attendance has not been like I expected. I think at the height of the game there were only about 12k in attendance. The start time probably hurt just a bit, but it couldn't have accounted for much. we were 3-1 before this game, it should have been sold out, I don't care what peoples feelings on the coach or the team are, we're in our second year and we're 3-1 get to the game. I think that first game of the season really hurt us too. (Tropical Storm kept people away)
TexGator Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 The "attendance" at the TXColl game includes the people who bought tickets and never showed. The total at that game was probably less than 5,000. I was there and left after the 1st Quarter. Thankfully, my seats were on the south side of the stadium, so I saw every play of that quarter... then the Pick-6 to start the 2nd Quarter was right in front of me as I was leaving. If the Cards are going to hit the "15K" number they need, they'll either have to do some maneuvering like playing a "home" game at the Dynamo stadium against Rice or U of H... or get a real FBS school that will sell more than just their allotment of tickets to come to Beaumont.
LU1991 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Posted October 12, 2011 Teams at the FBS have to average 15k. Why is someone guaranteeing 15k unless we are going FBS sooner than we think? I'm not saying that is the case but that is a very suspicious trend. I agree the attendance has not been like I expected. I think at the height of the game there were only about 12k in attendance. The start time probably hurt just a bit, but it couldn't have accounted for much. we were 3-1 before this game, it should have been sold out, I don't care what peoples feelings on the coach or the team are, we're in our second year and we're 3-1 get to the game. I think that first game of the season really hurt us too. (Tropical Storm kept people away) We have been watching the attendance and speculated the same thing. We have had the tropical storm and the lack of interest in the visiting teams that has kept the attendance down but there was no reason to not have SRO for Saturdays game. I can't believe the student section isn't packed every game. A win this week can make up the difference but shouldn't be a deal breaker.
Guest CardinalClaw Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 These last 3 home games should be SRO for sure, UCA is home coming, I'm sure a lot of people will be interested in the SFA game especially after last seasons horrible performance an there is no doubt there will be a great crowd for the McNeese game.
coachacola Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 The NCAA practically ignores the 15K attendance rule or else most the schools in the MAC would be back at the FCS level by now. Lamar won't have any problem meeting that attendance number if they are in the WAC or SBC. I think the WAC will have no choice but to invite Lamar after the football season ends.
geezer Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 I agree the NCAA is somewhat weak about the 15k average, but I doubt that we will average better crowds against visiting WAC teams. It all boils down to consistently winning and building a tradition of people going to the games.
TexGator Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 While I agree the WAC teams won't be huge draws and that building up attendance will be about building a winner, when you have a stadium with less than 20,000 seats, it's going to take a lot for the football program to be financially viable. Lamar has some great patrons that love the school and would love to help out, I feel like that financial strategy is like the proverbial "waiting for Grandma to die"- you can't live off the strategy for too long (unless you're in the SEC, Big 10, are named Notre Dame, Oklahoma, or Texas). If we're joining the WAC, we need to find consistent revenue streams (and TV games don't pay unless they include Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, LSU, Ohio St., or Michigan). But, all this is moot unless (a) there's a winner that is built and (b) the rumors about Saturday are true.
Guest smith Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Even though WAC games may not be a good crowd draw, the good thing about the WAC route (though I'd wish we could get a Sunbelt invite) is that it opens you up to FBS being able to play in your house that cannot travel to play an FCS teams. So, you could still get some rivalry level OOC FBS teams in our house from Sunbelt or Conf USA.
Guest bigred360 Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Even though WAC games may not be a good crowd draw, the good thing about the WAC route (though I'd wish we could get a Sunbelt invite) is that it opens you up to FBS being able to play in your house that cannot travel to play an FCS teams. So, you could still get some rivalry level OOC FBS teams in our house from Sunbelt or Conf USA. Great post smith as I wish you would post more often but I understand your reasons.
Guest NorthoftheBorder Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Even though WAC games may not be a good crowd draw, the good thing about the WAC route (though I'd wish we could get a Sunbelt invite) is that it opens you up to FBS being able to play in your house that cannot travel to play an FCS teams. So, you could still get some rivalry level OOC FBS teams in our house from Sunbelt or Conf USA. Great post smith as I wish you would post more often but I understand your reasons. I don't understand! He needs to post more to balance out my off the wall posts!!1 :laugh:
Guest bigred360 Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 smith is a former Lamar player in the 80's and has his reason's for not posting more and I have to respect those and can't give anymore informaiton about him without his okay. North, I always enjoy reading your post. Obviously, we don't always agree but you make for great debates.
coachacola Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 I agree with smith. As a FBS team you can get FBS teams into Beaumont. Texas State is getting Texas Tech in a year or two and La Tech hosted Miss State a few years ago. The PUS will be expanded once Lamar goes FBS and I think a team like UH, Southern Miss, Miss State, etc. would draw 25K+ fans. The big draws in the SLC for football are McNeese, SFA and SHSU. I don't think the other SLC schools really excite anyone in SETX. In the WAC they would be replaced with La Tech, Texas State and UTSA. Who knows who else will be in the WAC if Lamar joins, but IMHO those could be some nice rivalries and they are not too far away. Same thing could be said if Lamar happens to join the Sun Belt. Also, I think almost any conference would be an upgrade over the SLC as far as basketball is concerned. I think Lamar would have a better chance of keeping someone like Pat Knight around a little longer if Lamar was in the WAC as opposed to the SLC.
geezer Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Did you hear the door closing? The announcement that the Mountain West and C-USA are planning to merge football operations will bring the total number of FBS conferences down to 10 and will put the combined conference in a position that even if three or four schools abandon it for a "more presitgious" conference they will not be concerned with immediately trying to backfill by raiding either the WAC or Sunbelt. IMO the WAC still needs to add one to two football playing schools but this merger improves their stability also. Hope Lamar is one of the schools invited.
TexGator Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Any word on an announcement? Or are we still waiting to be asked to the dance?
geezer Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 No, I wouldn't expect anything to happen in regards to the WAC until after the football season and probably not until basketball is over. I would expect the WAC will look at how our teams perform this year.
Guest LU4LIFE Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 No, I wouldn't expect anything to happen in regards to the WAC until after the football season and probably not until basketball is over. I would expect the WAC will look at how our teams perform this year. If that's true then we are in trouble.
coachacola Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Chris Dabe of the Beaumont Enterprise spoke with Benson before the game tonight. Benson told him that he hasn't talked to Lamar in months and the WAC is looking to see what happens with all the conferences first and would prefer to get some FBS schools.
jdcurran235 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 same thing we have heard over and over again.
jdcurran235 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Just curious what everyone thinks. Does all this movement help or hurt our chances at moving up to the FBS level.
TexGator Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Just curious what everyone thinks. Does all this movement help or hurt our chances at moving up to the FBS level. I'm going to vote "no"... mainly because we suddenly have a conference out there that isn't worried about the number of teams in it- the CUSAMWC. Even if they lose: UH, Boise St., Central Florida, SMU and Air Force to the Big East, a worst-case scenario, that conference would still have more than enough schools to survive w/o having to raid the Sun Belt or Western Athletic since even for non-football operations, both would be working with about 8-9 schools (especially since a couple of the invites were football-only).
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