AggiesAreWe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Pretty angry Bob! ;D http://www.panews.com/sports/x2039927637/West-column-Knight-should-know-why-he-failed-at-Lamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinalrule Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Pretty angry Bob! ;D http://www.panews.com/sports/x2039927637/West-column-Knight-should-know-why-he-failed-at-Lamar If Tic Price is the permanent coach you won't see me and many others at any games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Seems two fairly arrogant personalities still don't get along. IMO, one of PK's biggest mistakes was that he appeared to think he was better than the programs fans. Obviously PK has some coaching flaws, especially when it comes to recruiting good talent. IMO Bob West when compared to the things written about Knight in his articles, he never liked the hire and probably wasn't going to like anyone replacing his boy Roc. Roc, the hometown boy whom he liked along with his golf buddy Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle eye Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Seems two fairly arrogant personalities still don't get along. IMO, one of PK's biggest mistakes was that he appeared to think he was better than the programs fans. Obviously PK has some coaching flaws, especially when it comes to recruiting good talent. IMO Bob West when compared to the things written about Knight in his articles, he never liked the hire and probably wasn't going to like anyone replacing his boy Roc. Roc, the hometown boy whom he liked along with his golf buddy Billy. +1 and then some! Bob West should know why he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Pretty angry Bob! ;D http://www.panews.com/sports/x2039927637/West-column-Knight-should-know-why-he-failed-at-Lamar If Tic Price is the permanent coach you won't see me and many others at any games. Why does Bob West keep pushing for Tic Price to get the job? Forgetting everything else about him, he was less than impressive as the head coach at McNeese State. While he would be an improvement over Pat Knight, I would hope Lamar is aiming higher than mediocrity, although that appears to be the main result year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Cooper Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Geezer, You may have to go back and look but Bob was pushing for Roc to get fired during the latter part of his last season. Tic Price wouldn't not be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Tic price? West must not have a daughter on campus. Whats Boob got against Alborn...guess ole Ray wouldn't kiss his ass. Knights sucks, West sucks, Price.......no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest austinred Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 While I'm not in favor of hiring Tic Price either, Bob West is correct in that LU has certainly hired worse in the past. Tic Price's head coaching record is 167-122, 0.557 winning percentage. Here is the unimpressive history of LU basketball coaches following Pat Foster: Abatemarco: 1986-1988, 34 - 26, 0.567 winning percentage Tony Branch: 1988-1990, 19-37, 0.339 Mike Newell: 1990-1993, 42-44, 0.488 Grey Giovanine: 1993-1999, 80-85, 0.485 Mike Deane: 1999-2003, 53-63, 0.457 Billy Tubbs: 2003-2006, 46-43, 0.517 Roccaforte: 2006-2011, 76-78, 0.494 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Here's the list including Pat Knight, sorted from best to worst: Abatemarco: 1986-1988, 34 - 26, 0.567 Billy Tubbs: 2003-2006, 46-43, 0.517 Roccaforte: 2006-2011, 76-78, 0.494 Mike Newell: 1990-1993, 42-44, 0.488 Grey Giovanine: 1993-1999, 80-85, 0.485 Mike Deane: 1999-2003, 53-63, 0.457 Tony Branch: 1988-1990, 19-37, 0.339 Pat Knight: 2012-2014: 29-62, 0.319 The sad part is Knight's winning percentage is skewed by the fact the vast majority of those wins came with Roc's players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Pretty angry Bob! ;D http://www.panews.com/sports/x2039927637/West-column-Knight-should-know-why-he-failed-at-Lamar It's no secret that Clif Carroll was my neighbor and I was friendly with Pat. I get the business. Pat didn't win, and he was fired. Part of it. Why in the world did Bob West call out Clif by name? Clif was a very hard working, dynamic young man. I can't speak to what happened within that office, but I can tell you that Clif spent more time away from his house than he was there during his two years I lived next to him. He took his job very seriously and worked hard at it. I would think that the fact that Clif has more D1 wins as a D2 coach than The guy that went to Grambling should tell you all you want about the assistants that pat has had. Bob West is a cranky old coot. Call out Pat, that's why he was paid as the head coach, leave the assistants, especially the good one, out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Cooper Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I totally agree with your statement. I have no qualms with any of the assistants. Knight, different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUSportsFan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Tic price? West must not have a daughter on campus. Whats Boob got against Alborn...guess ole Ray wouldn't kiss his ass. Knights sucks, West sucks, Price.......no I was wondering the same thing in reference to Coach Alborn. At least the team was 5-5 burdened with a D-IAA independent status when the plug was pulled. It's not like he started with a powerhouse taking over from Ken Stephens (4-7, 2-9, 2-9, 3-8). I think the damage was done long before Coach Alborn got to LU. He just happened to be there when the lights were turned off. Even Coach Kennan had a losing record his last two years at Lamar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUFAN Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Lawnmower... what exactly did he say that was bad about Cliff??? I think he was saying that KNIGHT was Lazy and put all the work on Cliff including the recruiting and scheduling.. Also that Knight was so lazy he would push stuff over to him rather than taking care of it himself. Then he said that his team almost beat LU in the 1st year. Don't be so sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Tic price? West must not have a daughter on campus. Whats Boob got against Alborn...guess ole Ray wouldn't kiss his ass. Knights sucks, West sucks, Price.......no I was wondering the same thing in reference to Coach Alborn. At least the team was 5-5 burdened with a D-IAA independent status when the plug was pulled. It's not like he started with a powerhouse taking over from Ken Stephens (4-7, 2-9, 2-9, 3-8). I think the damage was done long before Coach Alborn got to LU. He just happened to be there when the lights were turned off. Even Coach Kennan had a losing record his last two years at Lamar. Football hasn't had that many coaches....but in terms of stinkage....I'd have to rank Stephens and Bob Fredrick an easy 1,2 Basketball...I didn't think anybody could do worse than Branch.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Patrick Netherton @PTNetherton 3h Pat Knight tells @RickardonSports on @TimBrando he would like to get back into the NBA or go into the media. Wants to stay around the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSnake Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Patrick Netherton @PTNetherton 3h Pat Knight tells @RickardonSports on @TimBrando he would like to get back into the NBA or go into the media. Wants to stay around the game :-) NBA?? Maybe as a ball boy or to mop up sweat. His name seems to have carried him as far as it can. Maybe I'm just bitter with his attitude towards LU and the fans here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 More from Bob West on Pat Knight and why he couldn't recruit: They apparently didn't realize you have to roll up your sleeves and develop some relationships with guys in the Golden Triangle, Houston and Dallas. Recruiting has changed. AAU people dominate it. They don't care who you are or what your last name is. You have to build relationships. Knight and his staff didn't do a very good job of that. I'd go to watch that kid at Nederland (Colton Weisbrod). Southland recruiters would be there. Sun Belt recruiters would be there. Lamar was nowhere to be seen. That's a local kid and he could have helped Lamar. There was nobody over there who could get a player out of Houston or Dallas. That's why they had to go to places like California and Indiana. http://www.panews.com/sportsbobwest/x1783685918/West-column-Manziel-McClain-put-pressure-on-Texans?mobRedir=false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle eye Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Or was it because that's where they are from and where they have gone for recruits in the past? West will find anything to bash somebody who he doesn't like. I'm taking up for Knight. He was definitely not a head coach in college because he wasn't willing to do his due diligence recruiting. I guess I just don't like Bob West and the things he writes are of no interest to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigNasty92 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Pretty angry Bob! ;D http://www.panews.com/sports/x2039927637/West-column-Knight-should-know-why-he-failed-at-Lamar It's no secret that Clif Carroll was my neighbor and I was friendly with Pat. I get the business. Pat didn't win, and he was fired. Part of it. Why in the world did Bob West call out Clif by name? Clif was a very hard working, dynamic young man. I can't speak to what happened within that office, but I can tell you that Clif spent more time away from his house than he was there during his two years I lived next to him. He took his job very seriously and worked hard at it. I would think that the fact that Clif has more D1 wins as a D2 coach than The guy that went to Grambling should tell you all you want about the assistants that pat has had. Bob West is a cranky old coot. Call out Pat, that's why he was paid as the head coach, leave the assistants, especially the good one, out of it. Sounds like another possible thread topic... "Who's the bigger a-hole.. PK or Bob West?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigredfan2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I like that.....I use to read Bob West every Wed. Sunday and liked what he had to say. But as the years have passed I tended to disaggree with him more and more. I think that most of the fans I know do not like him or read him any more. He seems to put Lamar in a negative light every chance he gets. The stories are old hat, example Coach Ray Alborn.....yada yada yada I don't read Bob West anymore and wonder how The PANews can pay him. [url[/url][/b]] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbirds Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Bob West is one of the biggest idiots ever........for god's sake he is at the PA News. Has to be the worst newspaper ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest austinred Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Bob West has always been anti Lamar with the sole exception of Billy Tubbs. He had a man crush on Tubbs before that phrase was coined. Bob West is also anti Dallas Cowboys, Houston Texas, Rockets, Astros, and UT football. He likes golf and golfers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I like that.....I use to read Bob West every Wed. Sunday and liked what he had to say. But as the years have passed I tended to disaggree with him more and more. I think that most of the fans I know do not like him or read him any more. He seems to put Lamar in a negative light every chance he gets. The stories are old hat, example Coach Ray Alborn.....yada yada yada I don't read Bob West anymore and wonder how The PANews can pay him. [url[/url][/b][/b]][/size] Agreed. His columns pretty much read like a recipe anymore. 1) Talk about high school football and the Cowboys so you can use your favorite words - 'schoolboy' and 'Jethro'; 2) Overly praise anyone from Port Arthur and bash anyone who talks or acts negatively against anyone from Port Arthur; 3) Call any pro sports organization or successful coach 'arrogant', 4) Talk about how last year was bad and how this year will be 'the year' for a certain local pro golfer, 5) use hindsight to get back at others who don't agree (e.g. passing over Tim Floyd at Lamar); 6) Discuss negative aspects about Lamar, unless it deals with Billy Tubbs. Chill for one hour. Serve and enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle eye Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I like that.....I use to read Bob West every Wed. Sunday and liked what he had to say. But as the years have passed I tended to disaggree with him more and more. I think that most of the fans I know do not like him or read him any more. He seems to put Lamar in a negative light every chance he gets. The stories are old hat, example Coach Ray Alborn.....yada yada yada I don't read Bob West anymore and wonder how The PANews can pay him. [url[/url][/b][/b]][/size] Agreed. His columns pretty much read like a recipe anymore. 1) Talk about high school football and the Cowboys so you can use your favorite words - 'schoolboy' and 'Jethro'; 2) Overly praise anyone from Port Arthur and bash anyone who talks or acts negatively against anyone from Port Arthur; 3) Call any pro sports organization or successful coach 'arrogant', 4) Talk about how last year was bad and how this year will be 'the year' for a certain local pro golfer, 5) use hindsight to get back at others who don't agree (e.g. passing over Tim Floyd at Lamar); 6) Discuss negative aspects about Lamar, unless it deals with Billy Tubbs. Chill for one hour. Serve and enjoy. +1 and then some! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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