**SELA at LU Game Thread** SELA WINS 61-34

[puddin tane]

You start by getting rid of the high school defensive coordinator....then you fire the special teams coach....then you think...Who hired these dumbasses? And ya fire him

[CraigS]

Can't decide on this white flighter

-are his panties in a knot because Gilligan didn't play him?

-just likes hatin on Beaumont....oh, "he'll take the jobs, just don't make him live there"

-LU didn't recruit his lil darling, so screw LU?

-"not enuf loca kids!"

 

- gets tired of dumb ass posters that avoid the question as to how LU can break the mold and changes things. - CHECK

[puddin tane]

- gets tired of dumb ass posters that avoid the question as to how LU can break the mold and changes things. - CHECK

 

i gotta go with "Gillian didn't play me enuf". I coulda been in the show! Hahaha

[CraigS]

My thoughts on how to improve it......create separation from the "college town" and the rest of Beaumont...create an atmosphere within walking distance of campus (buy out the outlaying trash)

 

Build the following (this isn't on LU) but the community.

 

Bowling ally

grocery store(s)

Night clubs / sports bars

more upscale apartments

more diverse dining

compile tailgating - rather than all over the place

get band / cheerleaders / team involved in pregame activities

 

basically create a town within a city....then get the city involved to make being a part of LU athletics something special....so when a kid comes to visit - all they see around them is support and being part of something that's all about them....and no need to venture all over town....college life is at their finger tips!

[puddin tane]

- gets tired of dumb ass posters that avoid the question as to how LU can break the mold and changes things. - CHECK

 

What part of this confuses you?

 

You start by getting rid of the high school defensive coordinator....then you fire the special teams coach....then you think...Who hired these dumbasses? And ya fire him

[CraigS]

i gotta go with "Gillian didn't play me enuf". I coulda been in the show! Hahaha

 

and you're entitled to your ignorance for sure....but I must ask....who is Gillian? and what is enuf?

[coachacola]

I'd hate to see a guy doing everything he can to succeed and lose his job due to uncontrolables - but maybe ya'll SHOULD get what you ask for so you'll learn a lesson and just be happy LU football is back.

 

You lost all credibility when you start your rant with that comment. So you're saying Woodard is the right man for the job but the reason he can't win is that he can't get players to come to Beaumont? Yet Lamar has been successful in baseball, women's basketball, golf, cross country, etc. Being successful in sports in the SLC is more about hiring the right coaches and having the money to compete than anything else.

 

A lot of people questioned the hiring of Woodard from the very beginning and his coaching skills have been questioned every year.

People have been critical of Keuck since the day he was hired. This year Woodard replaces an experienced D1 defensive coordinator with a long time high school coach. But instead of pointing out the obvious that Lamar needs a new coach, you pull a Pat Knight and claim nobody can recruit players to Beaumont.

 

And BTW, don't be a grammer nazi when you have multiple misspellings in your posts too.

[CraigS]

You lost all credibility when you start your rant with that comment. So you're saying Woodard is the right man for the job but the reason he can't win is that he can't get players to come to Beaumont? Yet Lamar has been successful in baseball, women's basketball, golf, cross country, etc. Being successful in sports in the SLC is more about hiring the right coaches and having the money to compete than anything else.

 

A lot of people questioned the hiring of Woodard from the very beginning and his coaching skills have been questioned every year.

People have been critical of Keuck since the day he was hired. This year Woodard replaces an experienced D1 defensive coordinator with a long time high school coach. But instead of pointing out the obvious that Lamar needs a new coach, you pull a Pat Knight and claim nobody can recruit players to Beaumont.

 

And BTW, don't be a grammer nazi when you have multiple misspellings in your posts too.

 

I didn't bother looking into the lesser sports, but the highlighted ones are hardly considered successful...and the fact you think so, should allow you to accept LU football as it is....the best any of those teams you mentioned is 4 SLC championships teams in the 21 years since the SLC tournament has been in place...

 

Maybe you should listen to Pat Knight...after all, he was the one hearing the reasons why the players he was recruiting didn't want to come here....

 

All I hear out of you people is fire the coach...fire the coach....oh and other towns are a bigger cesspool than Bmt and they succeed....keep living your sad little life with unrealistic expectation....football is back - we (contrary to what crap y'all say - yes WE) should enjoy that. LU football will be successful....just not win conference every year or go to national championship successful....until then - enjoy LU FOOTBALL!

 

and maybe you can't get the coaches that y'all think would be GOOD coaches are the same reasons why you can't get "enough" good players.....

Edited October 13, 2014 by CraigS

[puddin tane]

I didn't bother looking into the lesser sports, but the highlighted ones are hardly considered successful...and the fact you think so, should allow you to accept LU football as it is....the best any of those teams you mentioned is 4 SLC championships teams in the 21 years since the SLC tournament has been in place...

 

Maybe you should listen to Pat Knight...after all, he was the one hearing the reasons why the players he was recruiting didn't want to come here....

 

All I hear out of you people is fire the coach...fire the coach....oh and other towns are a bigger cesspool than Bmt and they succeed....keep living your sad little life with unrealistic expectation....football is back - we (contrary to what crap y'all say - yes WE) should enjoy that. LU football will be successful....just not win conference every year or go to national championship successful....until then - enjoy LU FOOTBALL!

 

and maybe you can't get the coaches that y'all think would be GOOD coaches are the same reasons why you can't get "enough" good players.....

 

I'd listen to ole Cs..he coulda been in the show..but lamar screwed him....:wacko:

[CraigS]

I'd listen to ole Cs..he coulda been in the show..but lamar screwed him....:wacko:

 

as compared to listening to you...hiding behind a screen name...all you do is criticize and whine....don't offer anything and throw out insults...so what is your beef with Woodard...he didn't recruit Spurger football players so you missed the show...

[geezer]

It seems sad that "CraigS" sees a need to include SHSU in the thread about the Southeastern La game. To answer the question about what will it take to change history, the answer is time and a certain amount of luck. First you have t get the right coach. It doesn't matter whether it is Woodard or someone else. It doesn't matter if one thinks Woodard and staff should be fired or given a little more time. Next your probably going to have to get a little lucky in recruiting. Next you have to start producing winning seasons. Once you start winning it starts getting easier to recruit better players. Once you start winning fan support increases. Once you start winning community support increases. Once you are consistently winning history takes care of itself.

[CraigS]

At least you answered the question.... And I only bring up SHSU because that's what's always thrown up at me. ... No other school has anything to do with what will fix Lamar. ..I only bring up. .. what will fix Lamar. .. because all I hear is fire the coach. .. fire the coach. ... thats not the only problem....

[geezer]

Just a suggestion, if the point is to ask for opinions on what Lamar needs to do to become more successful, then keep the focus on Lamar and don't mention the other conference schools. There are always those looking to compare and rate their school or location better than another but it rarely is an objective comparison. You would be better served comparing to the average Southland Conference school. Example for football average SLC attendance is xxxx, how does Lamar compare to the average. I have not been to any away football games, but I think Provost Humphrey Stadium is above average. I have been to multiple away basketball games and I can guarantee you the Montagne Center is above average. Facility wise Lamar is equal to or better than most SLC schools, so that should give LU an advantage is recruiting. Judging college lifestyle would you rate Lamar as mostly a commuter school where most students live off campus and work more than twenty hours a week or, a mostly on campus or near campus and work less than twenty hours per week. The activities these two groups take part in are very different. How do these things affect student athletes?

[puddin tane]

as compared to listening to you...hiding behind a screen name...all you do is criticize and whine....don't offer anything and throw out insults...so what is your beef with Woodard...he didn't recruit Spurger football players so you missed the show...

 

hell...aint that the pot calling the kettle black?

 

you do nothing but come on here and bash Beaumont and bash Lamar...ya don't live here..your kid doesn't go here...so...exactly what are you doing to support LU and/or Beaumont? "buy up the trash" helluva an idea..Lamar should buy the south end..I wonder if its in the budget

[CraigS]

Like I said. .. your ignorance is plentiful. ...I do live here (GT) I do work in bmt. ..I graduated from LU.... my wife graduated from LU..... even if what you say is true about my bashing. ... at least I don't call for someone's job behind a fake screen name. ... cowardly at best

 

and whether you like it or not. ...I have more inside insight of LU football than you know. ..and don't care of you believe that or not.

Edited October 14, 2014 by CraigS

[allsports34]

OK, Before you jump on the fire Ray band wagon let me make you a few points. Now I also have ties to Nicholls State and Lamar also.

A) Ray has done an amazing job getting this program and it's top notch facilities up and running.

B) Lamar is not in the greatest part of town and I find there is no college campus atmosphere. Campus looks like a ghost town after 3:30.

C) The pay for position coaches is not as much as a high school coach gets in Texas so that makes it hard to find good coaches

D) I can tell you they looked hard for somebody and could not really find what they wanted when they got kueck.

E) Had to give Kueck a three year deal and could not afford to buy him out, he is gone after this season.

F) I have seen Ray and Kueck go to war over Kueck's offense.

G) Ray's hardest job is recruiting a coach to move to Beaumont for a little of nothing

As for those coaches, finding a good 7 or 8 year grad assistant out of a bigger program is the way to go. There are thousands of them and in many universities they are the guys doing all the work. They are barely getting about 25,000 a year and are very hungry to coach and win. Trying to move up instead of just riding the system to retirement or always looking for another job.

I like the fact that Ray is not spending day to day looking for another job. Over at Nicholls every coach that comes there is looking for a new job day one. Poor facilities, poor fan base, poor recruiting, and poor product as we all have seen.

SELA, yep got them a pretty good young coach huh?? Well maybe, he got lucky with a grad assistant connection to the Bennett kid and they land one of the best QB's probably in the country. He will get a better job and be gone after this year and so will Bennett.

Ray's keys to success.

Look at the programs in the Southland that are winning. They all have in common catching D1 kids transferring down and wanting to play...SHS, McNeese and now SELA..

We had a couple guys come down and no doubt I think Kueck screwed that up with his 1980 offense.

Ray need to shop the D1 schools for good Grad Assistant coaching which sometimes tends to bring good kids with them that are not playing in the program that would be awesome at the D1AA level..

Get more kids to that facility, it is one of the best in the Southland..

[puddin tane]

Like I said. .. your ignorance is plentiful. ...I do live here (GT) I do work in bmt. ..I graduated from LU.... my wife graduated from LU..... even if what you say is true about my bashing. ... at least I don't call for someone's job behind a fake screen name. ... cowardly at best

 

and whether you like it or not. ...I have more inside insight of LU football than you know. ..and don't care of you believe that or not.

 

 

Typical Beaumont basher..lives out of town.......takes his Beaumont money with him, but first to point out its faults.

[CraigS]

Best post ever Allsports34

[CraigS]

Typical Beaumont basher..lives out of town.......takes his Beaumont money with him, but first to point out its faults.

 

Then you must be the typical live in bmt. .. And are the reason no one wants to live there. .. see BISD....and the list is long. ... you need to read ALLSPORTS34 post. ... he said it best. ... whether I've said it right or not. .. he did.

[puddin tane]

OK, Before you jump on the fire Ray band wagon let me make you a few points. Now I also have ties to Nicholls State and Lamar also.

A) Ray has done an amazing job getting this program and it's top notch facilities up and running.

B) Lamar is not in the greatest part of town and I find there is no college campus atmosphere. Campus looks like a ghost town after 3:30.

C) The pay for position coaches is not as much as a high school coach gets in Texas so that makes it hard to find good coaches

D) I can tell you they looked hard for somebody and could not really find what they wanted when they got kueck.

E) Had to give Kueck a three year deal and could not afford to buy him out, he is gone after this season.

F) I have seen Ray and Kueck go to war over Kueck's offense.

G) Ray's hardest job is recruiting a coach to move to Beaumont for a little of nothing

As for those coaches, finding a good 7 or 8 year grad assistant out of a bigger program is the way to go. There are thousands of them and in many universities they are the guys doing all the work. They are barely getting about 25,000 a year and are very hungry to coach and win. Trying to move up instead of just riding the system to retirement or always looking for another job.

I like the fact that Ray is not spending day to day looking for another job. Over at Nicholls every coach that comes there is looking for a new job day one. Poor facilities, poor fan base, poor recruiting, and poor product as we all have seen.

SELA, yep got them a pretty good young coach huh?? Well maybe, he got lucky with a grad assistant connection to the Bennett kid and they land one of the best QB's probably in the country. He will get a better job and be gone after this year and so will Bennett.

Ray's keys to success.

Look at the programs in the Southland that are winning. They all have in common catching D1 kids transferring down and wanting to play...SHS, McNeese and now SELA..

We had a couple guys come down and no doubt I think Kueck screwed that up with his 1980 offense.

Ray need to shop the D1 schools for good Grad Assistant coaching which sometimes tends to bring good kids with them that are not playing in the program that would be awesome at the D1AA level..

Get more kids to that facility, it is one of the best in the Southland..

 

weve had had quite a few transfers, few have worked out...I think to succeed short term, yes you need em. To succeed long term, gotta get em in as freshmen. And sure, it's dang hard to keep em interested in playing when they are used to starting all their lives and suddenly they are 3 rd team. That's the nature of the beast.

 

sometimes it seems it's coming down to less recruiting and " who got kicked out of a big school and can we get em"

 

as as for the ghost town...of course I wish there was more to do for the kids around campus...hopefully that will change

 

 

we are, and always have been, a commuter school....we are not alone there...my daughter was going to ooh-la-la ( they had her major)....went there on a Friday, college was deserted....Lady says "oh, everybody goes home on the weekend"....

 

Hell, I had fun when I was at LU...It's what you make it. Or you can sit in your room and pout cuz you're not at Austin.

[puddin tane]

weve had had quite a few transfers, few have worked out...I think to succeed short term, yes you need em. To succeed long term, gotta get em in as freshmen. And sure, it's dang hard to keep em interested in playing when they are used to starting all their lives and suddenly they are 3 rd team. That's the nature of the beast.

 

sometimes it seems it's coming down to less recruiting and " who got kicked out of a big school and can we get em"

 

as as for the ghost town...of course I wish there was more to do for the kids around campus...hopefully that will change

 

 

we are, and always have been, a commuter school....we are not alone there...my daughter was going to ooh-la-la ( they had her major)....went there on a Friday, college was deserted....Lady says "oh, everybody goes home on the weekend"....

 

Hell, I had fun when I was at LU...It's what you make it. Or you can sit in your room and pout cuz you're not at Austin.

 

So...and not being a smart ass....how do Sam, SFA, SELA, ETC....get good assistant coaches?

[allsports34]

Recruiting:

Probably harder at this level than any. You recruit a player that's really good and a bigger school grabs him up. You could easily have 25 guys ready to come to Lamar

and wake up signing day and not have one left all because he was #2 at a mid level D1 that particular school did not get the guy they wanted and reach down and grab him..There are no more diamonds in the ruff,,,,,not with the internet. Everybody knows where everybody is.. it's easy to talk recruiting but if you have never really been involved in it personally you really don't know...The D1's recruit measurables. You can actually get a scholly at camp with a great 40 time, vertical leap, pro agility and bench...Malachi Dupre was one of the best camp kids ever ...earned 30 scholarships. Went to a Veer school who never threw him the ball..They ran the veer so well when they did decide to throw he was running down the field by himself. Mid level D1's lose some of their recruits in the same pyramid effect.. So it is even worse at the FCS level, you really need to find that kid who is a great football player who might not have been the eye candy or the 4.4 guy. I have asked guys like Frank Wilson of LSU and Ed Orgeron How is the 4.65 40yd kid that made 60 tackles a season that much better that than the 4.75 guy who made 100...I said maybe the 100 guy read the play better and his reaction time is a second quicker than the 4.65 guy...it's all crazy and very hard to do...I like the juco kids and the transfers...they have at least proven they can play past high school..

[allsports34]

So...and not being a smart ass....how do Sam, SFA, SELA, ETC....get good assistant coaches?

 

 

Tane, that's a great question and I think even Ray would like to hear a good answer to that. We can all write on this site what to do but getting it done is a lot harder than writing it. The guy at SELA had all young guys that were players and grad guys from Delta when he got the job//His DC was 28 years old and left last year for a position coach job at southern Miss that paid more......yep paid more as a saftey coach at Con-USA over a Defensive coordinator in the Southland..

As I said ya gotta find the good ones on the way up. These guys are usually young, have no problem traveling and getting out to these high schools to see kids. They relate better to the kids because they are closer in age...Still fresh in playing the game and can usually tell if a kid is peaked out in high school or can actually get better,,

[CraigS]

Very well written Allsports34 so we agree it isn't all Woodards fault and LU campus life lacks big time. ... amoung alot of other things you've covered. ..I appreciate the good reads you've provided without the ignorance and bashing.

[allsports34]

Tane , you have been on here a long time. I know you are not a big Kueck fan and neither am I. Ryan Mossakowski had major problems with Kueck and I can tell you why.

Ryan knew offense better than Kueck, Ryan would look at game film and break down how to beat other teams but Kueck did not want to hear it. Ryan knew Kueck was gonna get him killed so did not even try to play anymore. He wasn't gonna run that piss poor offensive scheme. Now Caleb Berry, Kueck hated him at first but ole Caleb outsmarted Kueck. Where the other QB's didn't want to play or transferred out Caleb figured if he did it like Keuck wanted he would play and he was exactly right. If Kueck says you throw it to this guy Caleb did it even if it was a receiver that was seven yards down field when we neede 12... Now don't take this wrong Caleb berry has busted his ass out there and has taken a beating and done a helluva job considering he is handcuffed by a weak scheme.there are three reasons we can't move on to the next tier of wins.....Kueck, kueck,Kueck....there ya go!