puddin tane Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Yeah, this was my thought as well. There is really no reason to leave a winning FCS program to go to a struggling FCS program. I am sure his ego is telling him (and maybe rightfully so) that his next stop should be a FBS school. There are plenty of hungry coaches out there who would like to come to Lamar and could revitalize the program with good recruiting and (at least for now) finding some good portal player transfers. I did not understand the last hire when it happened, but I hoped it would work out. To be successful at Lamar, I think you need a pass-happy offensive coach that can bring in some local talent that can bring excitement to the fans (says Mr. Obvious:rolleyes:) Maybe they have someone in mind already, since the coaching search has probably been in the "quiet phase" for some time now. I am familiar with another program that did a coaching search about 5 years back and hired someone who was unknown to most fans, and it worked out pretty well. That would be Billy Napier. Hopefully the administration will surprise all of us and pull one out of their hats. he may be available in a couple years. Gators dont like .500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexGator Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 On the plus side the LU President does have connections to Austin Peay. On the down side, why leave a successful program to come to the mess he'll inherit at Lamar? and for probably not that much more money. He would also be leaving behind a student body that chants "Let's go Peay!" at athletic events. Just takes 1 alum to be willing to write the checks to pay him significantly more ($2M over 5 years?). Why did Jimbo leave Florida State? Why did Lincoln Riley leave Oklahoma? Why was Saban ready to leave Alabama (that's gotta still eat at Longhorn fans that Patterson screwed that up). Why did Brian Kelly leave Notre Dame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexGator Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 he may be available in a couple years. Gators dont like .500 That's in a couple of years. We need a coach that will excite players to stay in 2022 and sign in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 That's in a couple of years. We need a coach that will excite players to stay in 2022 and sign in 2023. billy runs too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 billy runs too much i was gonna throw out brandon moore, hc, Colorado school of mines. They led d2 in passing. Cept hes in his first year and they are still playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckEm Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 billy runs too much I would never call a running play if I had that Florida QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexGator Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 Let's see, so far we've discussed: 1) Stealing a successful FCS coach with a big offer. 2) Giving a successful D-II or D-III coach a chance to step up. 3) Plucking a successful assistant coach from a G5 program 4) Getting a reclamation project of a coach who's been let go by an FBS program. So basically, the only options we haven't discussed is bringing in: - an FCS coordinator ready for the big office - a successful HS head coach who can get into every living room in the country This list makes me wonder: What about a coach like Corby Meekins at Houston? He's been recruiting coordinator at both his college stops (Houston- twice, and Texas) and turned Spring Westfield into a powerhouse program. He's a lifelong Texas coach and I think was on the TSHCA board- making him as connected as it gets. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawfish Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 he may be available in a couple years. Gators dont like .500 Maybe so, but that does not change what he was able to do for the Ragin Cajuns program. I am not a fan of Florida, but he will be set for life whether he wins or loses over there. My point was more about what happened when he was hired by the Cajuns. There were all kinds of names flying around by fans, but Billy's was not one of them. Some people said, "who is this guy?" but he ended up being a great hire for the Cajuns. I am just saying that of this is a real national coaching search, it might not be anyone mentioned above, but it may be a good hire. This is a big hire for this administration. The Cardinals desperately need some excitement. I guess we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) It will take a bit of luck, but what criteria counts. Possibilities ate a multiyear successful coach from a lower division or juco. Why does this give you a chance? Obviously, they know what it takes to win at the level they're at, so the luck is can they recognize and recruit the next level of talent. Probably wouldn't take it but somebody like Frost that had success at a lower level but couldn't translate it to the power conference. These coaches are more likely to take a OC or DC job at another power conference school or maybe a HC job at a group of five school. Money that Lamar probably doesn't have is the only step beyond luck. For those that want a passing attack probably, you want to look at OC's from another multiyear successful FCS and or group of five programs whose offenses are similar to what you would like to have. Edited November 28, 2022 by geezer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) Let's see, so far we've discussed: 1) Stealing a successful FCS coach with a big offer. 2) Giving a successful D-II or D-III coach a chance to step up. 3) Plucking a successful assistant coach from a G5 program 4) Getting a reclamation project of a coach who's been let go by an FBS program. So basically, the only options we haven't discussed is bringing in: - an FCS coordinator ready for the big office - a successful HS head coach who can get into every living room in the country This list makes me wonder: What about a coach like Corby Meekins at Houston? He's been recruiting coordinator at both his college stops (Houston- twice, and Texas) and turned Spring Westfield into a powerhouse program. He's a lifelong Texas coach and I think was on the TSHCA board- making him as connected as it gets. Thoughts? this made me think of who we have hired a juco hc, ex nfl player an lifelong asst coach with a bunch of stops, a few as OC a young asst coach with fewer stops, experience at OC Before. We dropped Coach with D1 hc experience successful d2 coach with multiple playoff games young upcoming d1 OC Promoted an ex player, who was DC ex D1 qb, junior college HC an ex nfl player, promoted from assistant, hc at juco and whatever stan lambert had for experience what scenario have we not hit? somebody from the Canadian football league! And they pass alot! or arena football Sooo, that leads us to Ryan Dinwiddie, HC and OC of the Toronto Argonauts. Edited November 28, 2022 by puddin tane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I found this CFL coaches are still paid well, and are in the same bracket as FCS college coaches, as well as XFL coaches. bring him in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexGator Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 this made me think of who we have hired a juco hc, ex nfl player an lifelong asst coach with a bunch of stops, a few as OC a young asst coach with fewer stops, experience at OC Before. We dropped Coach with D1 hc experience successful d2 coach with multiple playoff games young upcoming d1 OC Promoted an ex player, who was DC ex D1 qb, junior college HC an ex nfl player, promoted from assistant, hc at juco and whatever stan lambert had for experience what scenario have we not hit? somebody from the Canadian football league! And they pass alot! or arena football Sooo, that leads us to Ryan Dinwiddie, HC and OC of the Toronto Argonauts. Loved Dinwiddle as a player. He's definitely winning up there and knows how to win w/o all the advantages that a Power-5 program has since he was the QB that took Boise State into the stratosphere. If he'd be willing to take ~$350K/year (there's got to be an alum that would open up the checkbook to finance bringing him in) and get to pick his staff, he'd definitely bring some offensive excitement to the Golden Triangle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan_1059 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Marshall University offensive coordinator/quarterback coach Clint Trickett. For all you pass happy fans. Marshall ranked 14th nationally in passing. Could be a good hire who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsGuy Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Marshall University offensive coordinator/quarterback coach Clint Trickett. For all you pass happy fans. Marshall ranked 14th nationally in passing. Could be a good hire who knows. Maybe he could bring his dad as OL coach. Currently at Jacksonville State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) Marshall University offensive coordinator/quarterback coach Clint Trickett. For all you pass happy fans. Marshall ranked 14th nationally in passing. Could be a good hire who knows. This one actually sounds like a possibility. I wonder what kind of money it would take. Wait, I looked a little closer and he only has one year as OC, so is it his or the HC coach's plan? Edited November 29, 2022 by geezer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Darrell Dickey, the OC at A&M, will not be returning. He was making $850K at A&M and was not doing the play-calling. He is a long time OC and was head coach at North Texas for a while and was somewhat successful. Just throwing his name out there, not an endorsement for the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexGator Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 Darrell Dickey, the OC at A&M, will not be returning. He was making $850K at A&M and was not doing the play-calling. He is a long time OC and was head coach at North Texas for a while and was somewhat successful. Just throwing his name out there, not an endorsement for the guy. It's not a bad name to throw out. He was a good coach at UNT and was a really good recruiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Marshall University offensive coordinator/quarterback coach Clint Trickett. For all you pass happy fans. Marshall ranked 14th nationally in passing. Could be a good hire who knows. i must be looking at the wrong stats. I dont see them in top 50 in passing offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawfish Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 i must be looking at the wrong stats. I dont see them in top 50 in passing offense It looks like they are # 104 on the NCAA site. https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/25/p3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 i must be looking at the wrong stats. I dont see them in top 50 in passing offense Marshall ranked 14th last year when Clink Trickett was the pass game coordinator/wide receivers coach. This year they ranked 104th in passing offense and 55th in total offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexGator Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) Okay, I'm going all-in on Jeff Girsch from Angelo State. Took over a .500 program in 2018 and has built them into a D-II powerhouse. 2021: 11-3, outscoring opponents 502-230 2022: 12-1, outscoring opponents 417-178 (pending the result against Colorado School of Mines today) I'll take a guy who is pushing his guys to outscore opponents 35.3-15.7 over the last 2 years. He's already getting in the locker rooms of the best teams in the state (North Shore, Westlake, Euless Trinity, Westfield, Carthage)... Edited December 3, 2022 by TexGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Okay, I'm going all-in on Jeff Girsch from Angelo State. Took over a .500 program in 2018 and has built them into a D-II powerhouse. 2021: 11-3, outscoring opponents 502-230 2022: 12-0, outscoring opponents 393-136 (pending the result against Colorado School of Mines today)[/quote Long coaching tenure, but only five years as a HC. Having said that it looks like he knows how to win. As with any coach moving up a division the question of can he identify and recruit the next level player. Sure looks like someone that would deserve a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexGator Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 Okay, I'm going all-in on Jeff Girsch from Angelo State. Took over a .500 program in 2018 and has built them into a D-II powerhouse. 2021: 11-3, outscoring opponents 502-230 2022: 12-0, outscoring opponents 393-136 (pending the result against Colorado School of Mines today)[/quote Long coaching tenure, but only five years as a HC. Having said that it looks like he knows how to win. As with any coach moving up a division the question of can he identify and recruit the next level player. Sure looks like someone that would deserve a chance. I'm 100% with you. The fact he's already in the locker rooms at places like Westlake, Westfield (albeit with transfers), North Shore, Carthage, and Euless Trinity means he's both connected AND not afraid to go for guys and sell him on the idea of playing for crowds that aren't as big as what the guys a few lockers down will be. He's selling the program, himself, and opportunities... it takes a lot to sell kids on a school over 5 hours away (that's "my folks are getting a hotel" distance) and he's succeeding at selling that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Southeastern Louisiana head coach Frank Scelfo is in discussions to take Lamar's open head coaching position, sources told FootballScoop on Sunday; although at this time no deal is in place. Scelfo, 63, has been Southeastern's head coach for the past five seasons. After a 4-7 debut, the Lions have enjoyed four straight winning seasons and three trips to the second round of the FCS playoffs, including this season. https://footballscoop.com/news/lamar-pursuing-southeastern-louisiana-head-coach-frank-scelfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Southeastern Louisiana head coach Frank Scelfo is in discussions to take Lamar's open head coaching position, sources told FootballScoop on Sunday; although at this time no deal is in place. Scelfo, 63, has been Southeastern's head coach for the past five seasons. After a 4-7 debut, the Lions have enjoyed four straight winning seasons and three trips to the second round of the FCS playoffs, including this season. https://footballscoop.com/news/lamar-pursuing-southeastern-louisiana-head-coach-frank-scelfo Runs too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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