Anybody have more info on this?

[eagle eye]

There have been times when we all wanted Ray out of here on a rail. Remember the uproar when we ran the ball at the end of the Oklahoma State game? The fact is, as has been pointed out, this is the first senior class since the program started back up and as you might expect we finally saw the results of the previous 3 years of rebuilding the program. I've been critical of Coach Ray but I agree that he deserves to continue. We've built the foundation it's not time to fire the coach. Another thing, I don't agree with how KJ was handled but we aren't on the practice field or meeting rooms so we don't know everything. Personally, I wouldn't mind if KJ was a two-way player. WR and Safety with kick returns thrown in. Caleb Berry did a nice job and we have at last gotten some continuity going on both sides of the ball. I have no problem with Coach Ray getting a new OC but all in all the 2013 Cardinals were pretty good. IMO the AD needs to find a way to promote the team more aggressively in 2014. The times I went to the games I had a nice time and was treated to some decent football. If Lamar can get over the hump and win some of the games they came so close in this year Lamar could be on its way. On more thing, stop bitching about playing DII teams. A win is a win and the big schools don't apologize for playing small schools like OK-State did with Lamar. They chalk up the win and use the game as a fine tuning for conference. We will play TAMU next year so we're entitled to play a patsy to rebuild confidence after being humbled by the big school. We take our schedule as it comes and enjoy the ride. Sorry this post is so long, just getting stuff off my chest.

[NorthoftheBorder]

Ray's not going anywhere. So, I guess we all have the luxury of listening to Puddin bitch for another season. Lucky us..... :)

You should prolly just listen to him period. He's the only LU poster on this site with at least 4 brain cells.

 

Look at what Roberts did at SELA with half the time and far less money. Ya'll justify keeping blame-the- fans-because-its-tied-to-my-bonus-Woodard because you aren't losing by as much?

 

#HighStandards

 

As an SHSU fan I would never want to lose to LU. That would be extremely embarrassing. Keeping RayRay would be the absolute best thing to prevent that. So by all means, give that hack a contract extension.

 

I actually agree with you 5 pennies. You are just like all the other conference team posters on this board. In unison you guys are begging LU to keep Woodard and all for the same reason. You guys feel confidant that that you will keep beating LU as long as there is not change!!

[NorthoftheBorder]

Did a little looking at the box scores of the conference games. In the UCA, NW State and McNeese game LU won the first half but lost the second half and the game. In the SELA game, LU led at the end of the 1st qtr but lost big in the second qtr and the second half. Ironically, LU lost the first half of the SFA game but won the second half & the game. Lost both halves (close score in both) of the SHSU game. Some of you geniouses tell me what all this means!!

[lu cards]

all I know is we looked like a college team most of the year versus first 3 where we looked like a highschool team.woodard and staff have matured into a decent coaching staff.not saying there great but there getting better.they have also recruited some great players the last few years and im interested to see what the class looks like this year.i just don't see lamar going out and spending the $$$ that would be needed to get a better staff.

[LU1991]

There have been times when we all wanted Ray out of here on a rail. Remember the uproar when we ran the ball at the end of the Oklahoma State game? The fact is, as has been pointed out, this is the first senior class since the program started back up and as you might expect we finally saw the results of the previous 3 years of rebuilding the program. I've been critical of Coach Ray but I agree that he deserves to continue. We've built the foundation it's not time to fire the coach. Another thing, I don't agree with how KJ was handled but we aren't on the practice field or meeting rooms so we don't know everything. Personally, I wouldn't mind if KJ was a two-way player. WR and Safety with kick returns thrown in. Caleb Berry did a nice job and we have at last gotten some continuity going on both sides of the ball. I have no problem with Coach Ray getting a new OC but all in all the 2013 Cardinals were pretty good. IMO the AD needs to find a way to promote the team more aggressively in 2014. The times I went to the games I had a nice time and was treated to some decent football. If Lamar can get over the hump and win some of the games they came so close in this year Lamar could be on its way. On more thing, stop bitching about playing DII teams. A win is a win and the big schools don't apologize for playing small schools like OK-State did with Lamar. They chalk up the win and use the game as a fine tuning for conference. We will play TAMU next year so we're entitled to play a patsy to rebuild confidence after being humbled by the big school. We take our schedule as it comes and enjoy the ride. Sorry this post is so long, just getting stuff off my chest.

+1

[puddin tane]

its amazing what a last second field goal over a bad team will do...as North stated...we lost too many second halves...other coaches make adjustments..we dont

 

that said...Berry and Beggleton should be all conference

[BSFwins]

The in game adjustments are a problem for the coach staff. All the blame can't be on the head coach. At halftime there is just so many minutes. I believe you played at least HS ball and there is a lot going on at halftime and there is no way the head coach can make all the adjustments needed.

 

Games are also won before the season. Recruiting being a huge one. If I was keeping Coach Woodard as AD I would let that be known now!

 

The other is in my username with one bit of clarification. The player across the board have to get bigger, stronger and faster. With stronger a better term would be to have more explosive power.

 

In summary, yes Coach Woodard can improve. The staff can improve and there may be some changes there. But, we were competitive this year compared to prior year since the return of the program.

 

Everyone can improve as I honestly believe that in every area of life.

 

I recently was told a relate made a 2240 on the SAT. His dad told me he was probably going to take it again.

 

My reply wasn't, "why he can't do much better?" No, I said, " that's great he may score 2400 next time!"

 

Whether its coaching are taking a college entrance exam, experience can be huge!!

 

Last thought, everyone was upset we didn't hire a head coach with DI experience. That was true, but he has DI experience now!?!?!

[LamarAlum]

 

This is Woodard's fourth year, first senior class where we are able to compete on an even playing field, he is bringing in good recruits(2 nonredshirt freshman started this year), we have gone toe to toe with the big boys in the FCS all year long, and we are one year away from a winning season and potentially more...

 

All you guys who say we should have been winning now or before now is crazy... Site all the examples you want,, this is beaumont texas....We compete for recruits with McNeese, sFA, and SAM who are all perennial winners.

 

Is it lucky that this year, the fourth year, we are competitive?? Luck has nothing to do with it.. We are about to be a winner with the coach who built the program from zero.

 

Ask SFA and Northwestern ST what they think about their coaches... You guys ever hear them talk? No offense to those guys but i listened to each of them and i was not impressed with their general knowledge and understanding of the game and with their ability to communicate. Say what you want, Woodard understands football. I will take the big ole country boy we got over those guys any day. We have a 'good' man and a 'good' coach right now.. Is any coach perfect? Is any employee or boss or leader perfect?? Perfection doesn't exist.

 

Think that things cant be worse???? Oh yes it can...

 

We should not fire him now, in my opinion. We owe him one more years salary.. Let him earn the salary and make the decision after next year.

 

 

I'm very disappointed because this is his 4th year with his first senior class and you would think we could win more than 2 conference games. I like Ray just like everyone else, but it's time for him to go especially since he allows his OC to operate the way he does. Unfortunately it will be hard to keep the Offensive players from going to the defensive side to play because they don't want to play for the OC and it's going to be hard to get recruits and keep our fans in the stand if we settle for winning 2 conference games per year. It's sad that Ray keeps getting a pass when the kids are working their butts off but not getting the proper coaching.

 

BTW the coach at UTSA started his program after LU (3 years ago) and they are in the race for the West Division title and a spot in the C-USA Championship Game which is a tougher conference than the Southland.

 

 

 

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[puddin tane]

re: start up programs

 

since bringing football back in 2009 , Old Dominion is 46-14, Twice in FCS playoffs...now heading to conference USA

 

dare to dream, folks

[BSFwins]

re: start up programs

 

since bringing football back in 2009 , Old Dominion is 46-14, Twice in FCS playoffs...now heading to conference USA

 

dare to dream, folks

 

http://articles.dailypress.com/2013-08-06/sports/dp-spt-odu-wilder-contract-0806-20130806_1_wood-selig-bobby-wilder-odu

 

I can dream big but can the administration and athletic department at LU?

 

The Head Coach for Old Dominion makes $425,000 in base salary and other benefits. What's Coach Woodard's salary? I bet less than $150,000!

 

You get what you pay for most of the time...

[Card Nation]

 

 

This is Woodard's fourth year, first senior class where we are able to compete on an even playing field, he is bringing in good recruits(2 nonredshirt freshman started this year), we have gone toe to toe with the big boys in the FCS all year long, and we are one year away from a winning season and potentially more...

 

All you guys who say we should have been winning now or before now is crazy... Site all the examples you want,, this is beaumont texas....We compete for recruits with McNeese, sFA, and SAM who are all perennial winners.

 

Is it lucky that this year, the fourth year, we are competitive?? Luck has nothing to do with it.. We are about to be a winner with the coach who built the program from zero.

 

Ask SFA and Northwestern ST what they think about their coaches... You guys ever hear them talk? No offense to those guys but i listened to each of them and i was not impressed with their general knowledge and understanding of the game and with their ability to communicate. Say what you want, Woodard understands football. I will take the big ole country boy we got over those guys any day. We have a 'good' man and a 'good' coach right now.. Is any coach perfect? Is any employee or boss or leader perfect?? Perfection doesn't exist.

 

Think that things cant be worse???? Oh yes it can...

 

We should not fire him now, in my opinion. We owe him one more years salary.. Let him earn the salary and make the decision after next year.

 

 

I'm very disappointed because this is his 4th year with his first senior class and you would think we could win more than 2 conference games. I like Ray just like everyone else, but it's time for him to go especially since he allows his OC to operate the way he does. Unfortunately it will be hard to keep the Offensive players from going to the defensive side to play because they don't want to play for the OC and it's going to be hard to get recruits and keep our fans in the stand if we settle for winning 2 conference games per year. It's sad that Ray keeps getting a pass when the kids are working their butts off but not getting the proper coaching.

 

BTW the coach at UTSA started his program after LU (3 years ago) and they are in the race for the West Division title and a spot in the C-USA Championship Game which is a tougher conference than the Southland.

 

 

 

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I cannot argue that the OC situation is not a problem. It is and it cost us games this year, in my opinion. I have stopped trying to figure out the KJ thing. I understand your view point, and your points are valid. We just disagree on the timing. Im of the belief that we can win next year with Woodard and that he will correct the problems evident this year... However, i do not blindly support and if adjustments are not made and we don't see an obvious improvement in # of wins, consistently good play calling , and other intangibles then i will be of the opinion that a change is needed next year. But, what we think matters not. Im interested to know the final decision.

 

 

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[puddin tane]

re: start up programs

 

since bringing football back in 2009 , Old Dominion is 46-14, Twice in FCS playoffs...now heading to conference USA

 

dare to dream, folks

 

http://articles.dailypress.com/2013-08-06/sports/dp-spt-odu-wilder-contract-0806-20130806_1_wood-selig-bobby-wilder-odu

 

I can dream big but can the administration and athletic department at LU?

 

The Head Coach for Old Dominion makes $425,000 in base salary and other benefits. What's Coach Woodard's salary? I bet less than $150,000!

 

You get what you pay for most of the time...

 

that's a new contract

 

according to this site, Wilder's salary 2008,2009,2010 was 150k..200k in 2011

 

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/databases/salaries/old-dominion?name=wilder

[BSFwins]

Okay, but two years ago he made $200,000. In the 2015, season he will make $550,000. What do you think the assistant coaches make?

 

 

[Guest austinred]

I was disappointed when they restarted the program and spend a lot of money on the facilities but went cheap on the coach. That is why we got a coach whose only college coaching experience was Junior College. It seems that it would make financial sense to spend more on a coach if that results in more wins and more fans buying tickets. However, that being said, I think the team made significant progress this year and we need to give the coach another year.

[geezer]

Thinking back to when Woodard was hired, and yes taking into account the money LU was willing to or could afford to put into salaries, he really wasn't that bad of choice. His resume looked decent and he was competing at a high level in the JUCO ranks, one which really needs to rebuild almost every year. His early mistakes may have been not spending enough money on assistant coaches, too many high school coaches, but again salary funding might have affected those decisions or hoping to retain some of the better local talent that wouldn't want to stay and start a program without someone in the coaching ranks they knew. Changing coaches is always a disruption to a program and one in LU's position. Unless the cupboard of talent is full and waiting on the bench it takes a few years to bring in freshman talent to build. The other option is to go find a lot of FBS transfers to win quickly and get lucky. I think LU has progressed enough to stay the course at least one more year and see what happens as this years seniors are replaced. What are the biggest needs in the next recruiting class.

[Lamarcard81]

So what is the status of Coach Woodard? I think he deserves another year. But what is going on? Why is this dragging on and on? This not good for the program! WTF!

[coachacola]

So what is the status of Coach Woodard? I think he deserves another year. But what is going on? Why is this dragging on and on? This not good for the program! WTF!

 

I'm guessing since nothing was announced that Woodard will be back next year. He has a year left on his contract so I doubt a rumor will hurt recruiting, and I wouldn't think the LU athletic department would respond to a rumor anyway.

 

Here's Woodard's record against D1 (FCS and FBS) teams these 4 years with ranking paranthesis:

 

2013: 3-7 (186)

2012: 2-8 (196)

2011: 2-7 (221)

2010: 2-5 (201)

 

Here's what SELA has done:

 

2013: 10-2 (70)

2012: 5-6 (160)

2011: 3-8 (271) ** coach fired **

2010: 2-9 (196)

 

So is Lamar following SELA's path or just treading water?

[Lamarcard81]

SELA coach has conference player of the year. So I am not sure he is a better all-around coach. And I am always concerned about "be careful what you wish for". I just think Coach Woodard earned the chance to finish the last year on his contract. I could be wrong....we will see.

[BSFwins]

SELA coach has conference player of the year. So I am not sure he is a better all-around coach. And I am always concerned about "be careful what you wish for". I just think Coach Woodard earned the chance to finish the last year on his contract. I could be wrong....we will see.

 

Exactly, SHSU had Flanders transfer in from Kansas State and the SE Louisiana QB was a FBS transfer. Those type of players turn close loses into wins...

[BigNasty92]

So what is the status of Coach Woodard? I think he deserves another year. But what is going on? Why is this dragging on and on? This not good for the program! WTF!

 

 

Here's Woodard's record against D1 (FCS and FBS) teams these 4 years with ranking paranthesis:

 

2013: 3-7 (186)

2012: 2-8 (196)

2011: 2-7 (221)

2010: 2-5 (201)

 

Here's what SELA has done:

 

2013: 10-2 (70)

2012: 5-6 (160)

2011: 3-8 (271) ** coach fired **

2010: 2-9

 

SOME of you guys love to compare apples to oranges. Compare what SELA did their first 4 seasons after they resurrected their football program in 2003. They had a great 2004 season. ..But if you want to compare the over all first 4 seasons vs FCS/FBS teams, I'd bet their record would not be that much better than ours.

[LUSportsFan]

Out of curiosity, I looked up the SLU record. As noted, with the exception of year 2, our record compares favorably. I also added SMU. They were out 2 years. I consider our dropping football the equivalent of a self imposed 20 year death penalty.

 

SLU Lamar SMU (Death Penalty - 2 Years)

Year 1 - 5-7 5-6 2-9

Year 2 - 7-4 4-7 1-10

Year 3 - 4-6 4-8 1-10

Year 4 - 2-9 5-7 5-6

Year 5 - 3-8

 

Data Source: College Football Datawarehouse

 

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/southland/southeastern_louisiana/2000-2004_yearly_results.php

[LAZEEK]

Source tells me an announcement will be made Monday or Tuesday regarding status of LU Football Coach Ray Woodard.

[austin badbyrd]

Considering the fact that this our 4th year on the return;

1. There was improvement; even though we should have won more and close out games better

2. The fact that there's a lot of griping and complaining means this is a very passionate fan base, we as fans should demand excellence.

3. There needs to be a major jump in improvement, especially on offense. The leadership on this team should be hungrier due to the missed opportunities.

4. Woodard should be able to finish his contract and he should be held to the highest standard for this team. i hope he doesn't get overly sensitive to criticism like a certain coach here in Austin (M.B.). That goes with the territory.

5. Conference will be a challenge with 3 new teams added (Incarnate Word, HBU and ACU). ACU will be the toughest of all and there is an old rivary with them dating back to the old Southland Conference .

 

That being said, this should be fun....well at least I hope it will be fun.

[Card Nation]

 

Considering the fact that this our 4th year on the return;

1. There was improvement; even though we should have won more and close out games better

2. The fact that there's a lot of griping and complaining means this is a very passionate fan base, we as fans should demand excellence.

3. There needs to be a major jump in improvement, especially on offense. The leadership on this team should be hungrier due to the missed opportunities.

4. Woodard should be able to finish his contract and he should be held to the highest standard for this team. i hope he doesn't get overly sensitive to criticism like a certain coach here in Austin (M.B.). That goes with the territory.

5. Conference will be a challenge with 3 new teams added (Incarnate Word, HBU and ACU). ACU will be the toughest of all and there is an old rivary with them dating back to the old Southland Conference .

 

That being said, this should be fun....well at least I hope it will be fun.

 

+1

 

 

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[coachacola]

I heard Woodard say in an interview after the McNeese game that the schedule is setup for Lamar to have a good run next year because they don't play SFA or NWST and will play some of the new conference members. I hope he's not implying that Lamar's going to win more games next year because of an easier schedule!