**Lamar vs Nicholls St. Game Thread**

[JohnnyBGood]

This makes 6 losing seasons out of 7 since bringing football back. That one winning season included 2 wins against non-D1 teams. Do they need 7 out of 8 losing seasons get rid of Woodard?

 

Also don't forget that 3 more of those wins came against 3 teams new to FCS that year. HBU had just started up and ACU & UIW were moving up from D-II. Essentially 5 games against lesser compotetion. Then throw in Nicholls who was in the middle of their 23 game losing streak across 3 seasons. McNeese was down to a 4th or 5th string QB (if we can use that excuse you have accept it when someone else does too). Only other win was Grambling week 1.

[oldrock]

I have listened to all of you people bash Carson as long I can stand it. Carson lead your team to the biggest victory since football was brought back, 49-46 over Sam Houston. 4ths in the first half. Carson lead your team to its first 3 game conference when winning streak since football was brought back.

He was recruited to Lamar to throw the ball 40 times a game, something he did once. 52 vs northwestern all of about 2 weeks ago. Do any of you football gurus remember back 2 weeks?

He is sitting home watching and pulling for his teammates because he is in too much pain to travel, yet you gutless people find some way to bash him.

The worst development of the last 20 years are message boards that allow people to bash others and hide behind a made up screen name. I will not do that. I will proudly be at his senor night next week. I will have a black long sleeve Lamar football shirt, sunglasses with a hat turned backwards. If any of you gutless wonders want to discuss this eye to eye.

Craig Earp

 

I support you in how you feel. Carson is a fine young man and one heck of a good football player. As far as the posts on this board, you must remember that most all of the posters really have no idea how to coach or play college football, that's why they get on this board to discuss football. Just remember those coaches and players that are on the field know what they are doing and they are paid and rewarded for their knowledge and ability. In a perfect world every team would be undefeated and have a National Championship Trophy to take home every year.

 

Oldrock coming to you from Thibodaux, Louisiana supporting our Lamar Cardinals loud and proud.

[puddin tane]

I support you in how you feel. Carson is a fine young man and one heck of a good football player. As far as the posts on this board, you must remember that most all of the posters really have no idea how to coach or play college football, that's why they get on this board to discuss football. Just remember those coaches and players that are on the field know what they are doing and they are paid and rewarded for their knowledge and ability. In a perfect world every team would be undefeated and have a National Championship Trophy to take home every year.

 

Oldrock coming to you from Thibodaux, Louisiana supporting our Lamar Cardinals loud and proud.

 

lets give EVERYBODY a trophy!

[spoonbill]

Well, I just thought losing to HBU at home was pathetic...but we topped that with this game. As someone else posted, do we even practice? About the only positives I can take from this game are morse and maybe swinton. I'm optimistic about krauss and king. But with no oline, no defense/defensive line, no special teamw.......hell, we could have Tom Brady, Julio Jones, and Ezekiel Elliott and it wouldn't matter.

 

 

I predicted a 3 win season (to my brother) but that's because I'm a pessimist. (and i thought we'd lose to se la). From what i'm seeing, we are fortunate we got to 3 already.

 

How much longer do we defend this head coach? Isn't he ultimately responsible for what takes place on the field.

 

And perhaps the most sickening thing....we quit. I think we need to bench our starting d-line, and we need to make changes on the o-line. (Then clean house after the season....if we wait that long)

The D-line has seemingly packed it in and gives no effort. The offensive line is horrible at run and pass blocking. 5 or 6 bad, bad snaps from the center is past unacceptable. It looks like the young kids are gonna be good. Ray doesn't do much juco recruiting, but we need D-line and O-line help like yesterday or we're gonna continue to get our QBs and RBs killed and DBs burned. The line play is atrocious! Hopefully for the seniors that continue to give effort we end the season on a positive note.

[coachacola]

Also don't forget that 3 more of those wins came against 3 teams new to FCS that year. HBU had just started up and ACU & UIW were moving up from D-II. Essentially 5 games against lesser compotetion. Then throw in Nicholls who was in the middle of their 23 game losing streak across 3 seasons. McNeese was down to a 4th or 5th string QB (if we can use that excuse you have accept it when someone else does too). Only other win was Grambling week 1.

 

That season led to Woodard getting a 3 year deal. Kinda like the Pat Knight extension. They have a pretty good season and the AD gives them a raise and extension. Knight got the team in to the NCAA's with Roc's players so he gets a big reward and then stinks up the place. Woodard wins 8 games with a very easy schedule so he gets a new 3 year contract and has now gone 8-12 since then.

 

I'm sure they'll blame the bad season on injuries so Woodard gets another free pass and they don't have to buy out his contract like they did with Knight.

[Bert]

That season led to Woodard getting a 3 year deal. Kinda like the Pat Knight extension. They have a pretty good season and the AD gives them a raise and extension. Knight got the team in to the NCAA's with Roc's players so he gets a big reward and then stinks up the place. Woodard wins 8 games with a very easy schedule so he gets a new 3 year contract and has now gone 8-12 since then.

 

I'm sure they'll blame the bad season on injuries so Woodard gets another free pass and they don't have to buy out his contract like they did with Knight.

 

Or the lack of support from the home crowd...always an excuse... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Sweet T]

How can a person expect them to win when they have lost good players to devastating injuries?

[Wideopen]

Well, I just thought losing to HBU at home was pathetic...but we topped that with this game. As someone else posted, do we even practice? About the only positives I can take from this game are morse and maybe swinton. I'm optimistic about krauss and king. But with no oline, no defense/defensive line, no special teamw.......hell, we could have Tom Brady, Julio Jones, and Ezekiel Elliott and it wouldn't matter.

 

 

I predicted a 3 win season (to my brother) but that's because I'm a pessimist. (and i thought we'd lose to se la). From what i'm seeing, we are fortunate we got to 3 already.

 

How much longer do we defend this head coach? Isn't he ultimately responsible for what takes place on the field.

 

And perhaps the most sickening thing....we quit. I think we need to bench our starting d-line, and we need to make changes on the o-line. (Then clean house after the season....if we wait that long)

 

 

Swinton has a lot of talent and can be a big contributor to the team. It's a shame he hasn't received more playing time this season. Not only is he a great athlete, it's my understanding he's a presidential scholar#rememberhisname#hiddenjewel

Edited November 4, 2016 by Wideopen

[spoonbill]

Swinton has a lot of talent and can be a big contributor to the team. It's a shame he hasn't received more playing time this season. Not only is he a great athlete, it's my understanding he's a presidential scholar#rememberhisname#hiddenjewel

 

At least almost all of the receiving core is back next year. The skill positions on offense look to be decent. They can't do much without blocking up front....oh, and getting the ball from the center to the QB.

[geezer]

Getting the ball from the center to the quarterback is a matter of practice for the center. I made one bad snap in college and it cost me 100 snaps before practice everyday for the rest of the year. For multiple years after that I could make a deep snap blind folded. Granted sometimes it could be the quarterbacks fault but the coach will no the difference and last nights wasn't the quarterback.

[Dracula]

I don't do my job, sooner or later, I will be fired. You don't do your job, same thing unless you are the guy that hires and fires. Oldrock posts a valid point. As far as the posts on this board, you must remember that most all of the posters really have no idea how to coach or play college football, that's why they get on this board to discuss football. I've never played or coached but I'm not blind and my rocks are probably as old as oldrocks, so we've been down a few of life's pathways. Over the last four years, I've been to as many home games as anybody. My opinion is that the team is backsliding, not from lack of good players but from the inability of the coaching staff to develop those players and game plans, with the exception of the conditioning coach. You don't see any belly's hanging over out there. Before next season, in my opinion, there needs to be a change at the top.

[Sweet T]

I support you in how you feel. Carson is a fine young man and one heck of a good football player. As far as the posts on this board, you must remember that most all of the posters really have no idea how to coach or play college football, that's why they get on this board to discuss football. Just remember those coaches and players that are on the field know what they are doing and they are paid and rewarded for their knowledge and ability. In a perfect world every team would be undefeated and have a National Championship Trophy to take home every year.

 

Oldrock coming to you from Thibodaux, Louisiana supporting our Lamar Cardinals loud and proud.

I agree. I played a collegiate sport so I know how difficult it can be to win, especially after losing key players to injury.

[Dracula]

Let's ask the question directly and we'll see what answers we get. If you were the Lamar AD, would you give Woodard another year? My answer is no. At first, I thought that replacing the OC might jumpstart the program but I think that there are other issues, in the locker room, that demand a fresh start. Anybody else?

[Dracula]

Let's ask the question directly and we'll see what answers we get. If you were the Lamar AD, would you give Woodard another year? My answer is no. At first, I thought that replacing the OC might jumpstart the program but I think that there are other issues, in the locker room, that demand a fresh start. Anybody else?

 

Coach Phil Longo, who is 90 miles away, at Sam Houston State, would be on the short list with everything you would want in an OC/QB developer/recruiter/HC.

[KABrother88]

Coach Phil Longo, who is 90 miles away, at Sam Houston State, would be on the short list with everything you would want in an OC/QB developer/recruiter/HC.

 

If you go after someone like Longo it's gonna have to be as a HC...he could potentially retain playcalling duties but there would be no benefit for him to make a lateral move with what he has in Huntsville. Then if you are able to lure him, you have to be very prepared for him potentially leaving in a year or 2. That said I think he could very well he the OC at a lower level FBS school next year so he might not even be open to a FCS HC spot.

[BigNasty92]

Let's ask the question directly and we'll see what answers we get. If you were the Lamar AD, would you give Woodard another year? My answer is no. At first, I thought that replacing the OC might jumpstart the program but I think that there are other issues, in the locker room, that demand a fresh start. Anybody else?

 

I 100% believe that there are problems in the lockerroom. When times get tough, it only takes a few bad attitudes to contaminate the lockerroom like a cancer...

 

I don't know if the stress of it being the last year on Coach W's contract and the "Win or Else..." is getting/has gotten to the coaches. With the exception of 2 ball games this season (SELA and ACU).. I've seen a team that is not mentally prepared to play a damn ballgame. I get the injuries. What I don't get is the effort and the attitude. I think it's time for a change.

[KABrother88]

I 100% believe that there are problems in the lockerroom. When times get tough, it only takes a few bad attitudes to contaminate the lockerroom like a cancer...

 

I don't know if the stress of it being the last year on Coach W's contract and the "Win or Else..." is getting/has gotten to the coaches. With the exception of 2 ball games this season (SELA and ACU).. I've seen a team that is not mentally prepared to play a damn ballgame. I get the injuries. What I don't get is the effort and the attitude. I think it's time for a change.

 

This is year 2 of his current 3 year deal

[Dracula]

I shouldn't have even brought this topic up, but at some point, Some kind of change is going to have to be made. Lamar cannot continue to have break even or losing seasons. It just can't continue.

[geezer]

This probably sounds crazy, but Art Briles is available and needs some place to start rebuilding his image if he wants to get back get in the game. He may get much better opportunities but many larger programs may have more problems with the baggage he will carry from the Baylor debacle. Les Miles is out there too, but his biggest problem was he couldn't develop a quarterback.

[coachacola]

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[KABrother88]

This probably sounds crazy, but Art Briles is available and needs some place to start rebuilding his image if he wants to get back get in the game. He may get much better opportunities but many larger programs may have more problems with the baggage he will carry from the Baylor debacle. Les Miles is out there too, but his biggest problem was he couldn't develop a quarterback.

 

I'd rather have Pat Knight leading the football program than that POS Briles

[Dracula]

That's why I brought up Longo's name. Successful longtime assistant with a very impressive OC/ QB coach/ recruiting background. You would think the opportunity to move up the ladder, the bump in pay, ESPN TV exposure, national playoff tournament opportunity, and pretty good facilities would be enticing to any assistant looking to control his own program.

[Skinny1]

Does Woodard actually report to the AD? I thought he reported to Jimmy Simmons when he was hired, so I thought he might report to Evans now.

[puddin tane]

That's why I brought up Longo's name. Successful longtime assistant with a very impressive OC/ QB coach/ recruiting background. You would think the opportunity to move up the ladder, the bump in pay, ESPN TV exposure, national playoff tournament opportunity, and pretty good facilities would be enticing to any assistant looking to control his own program.

 

ray's from sam...no more sam

 

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[puddin tane]

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