**Northwestern St. vs Lamar Game Thread**

[Dracula]

My take, I don't like it, especially since Colin Kaperwhatever said it was based on oppression. I think that it is disrespectful to the flag and to the vets. I also think that it's a fad thing to do, it is getting old, and the vast majority of people just ignore them. Leave it alone and it will go away.

Even with all of the bad stuff, from the start of the season, I think Lamar still has a chance at the playoffs but they have to beat Central Arkansas and then win out. What is not going away is this QB situation. Earp is playing hard but his consistency is driving me crazy. I guess Allen is #2 but the only time that I have seem him was starting the Sam Houston game. If Earp is inconsistent and Allen doesn't see the field, who is #3? Bust a redshirt, if you have too, but get someone ready to relieve Earp. I think Lamar can do it and not rely on someone else.

[puddin tane]

My take, I don't like it, especially since Colin Kaperwhatever said it was based on oppression. I think that it is disrespectful to the flag and to the vets. I also think that it's a fad thing to do, it is getting old, and the vast majority of people just ignore them. Leave it alone and it will go away.

Even with all of the bad stuff, from the start of the season, I think Lamar still has a chance at the playoffs but they have to beat Central Arkansas and then win out. What is not going away is this QB situation. Earp is playing hard but his consistency is driving me crazy. I guess Allen is #2 but the only time that I have seem him was starting the Sam Houston game. If Earp is inconsistent and Allen doesn't see the field, who is #3? Bust a redshirt, if you have too, but get someone ready to relieve Earp. I think Lamar can do it and not rely on someone else.

 

Earp is like Nuke Laloosh from bull durham.....1 nice pass but the next 5 may end up anywhere...off the scoreboard,in the band, on top of montagne center.

[KABrother88]

In regards to the protest, I've heard of several season ticket holders threatening to not renew as well as having heard of a sponsor potentially pulling its sponsorship. It's really not a good look right now especially given the circumstances of the promotion Saturday.

 

Earp has received quite a bit of criticism and in my opinion much of it is accurate...but if you go back and watch the replay of the final TD...only one person could have caught that ball...and the fact that that guy is 5'7" it makes that throw, in that setting, an incredible throw. I still think he needs to use his legs more...he had several chances for good gains on the read but handed it off anyways for a minimal gain. He needs to force the defense earlier to account for him. It's nice when he does finally keep it cause he'll go for 30+ but if you do that sooner, those same plays become more productive when he does hand it off. I was the only one in my section who even realized her kept on his long run cause everyone around me had grown accustomed to the RB getting it.

 

It looks like the freshman walk-on Robinson is currently the #3 QB...Blake McKenzie who was listed at #2 before Allen took that was in a jersey and windpants on the sideline. Adam Morse was warming up with a seperate group pregame and Robinson was with Earp and Allen.

 

The loss of Alex Ball is going to loom big to finish the season. Carranco is the only K or P left listed on the roster. The Aussie punter we signed in Feb has to sit out this year due to not being a full qualifier out of HS, therefore he is not eligible. Josh Davis had been previously listed is no longer. I wasn't a fan of what I saw from him a couple years ago when Ball was hurt and Carranco ended up taking all of the kicking duties for the rest of that season. If Carranco goes down we will be totally screwed.

[KABrother88]

And FWIW Earp was named SLC Offensive POTW

 

http://southland.org/news/2016/10/17/FB_1017161206.aspx?path=

[Skinny1]

I think Earp looks better when he is on the move and then squares up. Many of his passes Saturday night, especially in the first half were low percentage passes plus he threw the ball several times to the wrong side of the receiver. He does seem to lock on a receiver and not go thru his progressions. That maybe coaching. As for as his pulling it down and running, I think he is getting better. In the Coastal Carolina game he seemed very hesitant to run at all, like he was afraid to get hit. He is now picking his spots. With Kade out, defenses may not key on the running back as much which may make the long gains by the QB runs fewer. Would not mind if they played Allen more during the games - you never know when he will be needed.

[bigcam2903]

I'm pretty certain that he doesn't care. #4 did the black power garbage the last two games and he's started and played most of both games. And after last nights game Woodard quickly posted about our come from behind victory. I was going to comment "aren't you going to mention that the winning catch was by the racist kid disrespecting the flag". But, I decided to let it lie and let him enjoy a nice win.

 

I guess the easy way out for him is to ignore it. I hope people stop going. Some of these kids don't realize how blessed they are.

 

I'm sure taking a knee or holding up a fist is just as unpatriotic as Oliver North selling our weapons to Iran & still being able to be in Politics right?? I'm All for punishing the kids if it's a violation of Team or School rules, if not please save the Drama. Calling a kid Racist without knowing the content of his character is way out of line. It boggles my mind how some folks can make this assumption from a social stance of an individual. I'm offended by the statement and he's not my kid. Seems to me that a few Season ticket holders feel as if they can run the Program because they purchased tickets. Just don't buy any and move on. Since many of you have all the answers, why weren't you informed of Woodard's response to the Anthem he made many weeks ago. My Wife & I buy Season tickets even though our Son is allotted 4 tickets. We did it to Support the program. Our Son stands for the Anthem & respects the Sacrifices many have made for him to get an Education & play a kid's sport he Loves. After the cheering is done for the night & he doesn't have his uniform on anymore & has to go back into normal society, I can't Lie, we are a little concerned about if he ever gets pulled over. That's just the Real World we live in right now. We All should be concerned about how this affects Families regardless of Race. Those lives lost was somebody's child. I'm Done with this subject for now.

[LU1991]

I'm sure taking a knee or holding up a fist is just as unpatriotic as Oliver North selling our weapons to Iran & still being able to be in Politics right?? I'm All for punishing the kids if it's a violation of Team or School rules, if not please save the Drama. Calling a kid Racist without knowing the content of his character is way out of line. It boggles my mind how some folks can make this assumption from a social stance of an individual. I'm offended by the statement and he's not my kid. Seems to me that a few Season ticket holders feel as if they can run the Program because they purchased tickets. Just don't buy any and move on. Since many of you have all the answers, why weren't you informed of Woodard's response to the Anthem he made many weeks ago. My Wife & I buy Season tickets even though our Son is allotted 4 tickets. We did it to Support the program. Our Son stands for the Anthem & respects the Sacrifices many have made for him to get an Education & play a kid's sport he Loves. After the cheering is done for the night & he doesn't have his uniform on anymore & has to go back into normal society, I can't Lie, we are a little concerned about if he ever gets pulled over. That's just the Real World we live in right now. We All should be concerned about how this affects Families regardless of Race. Those lives lost was somebody's child. I'm Done with this subject for now.

 

I also buy season tickets and tailgating spots and I'm not going to let some kid that shows disrespect run me off. It would only hurt the other young men like your son that do show respect. That being said I disagree with what he is doing and this is simply not the place to do it. It will run people off and eventually hurt the program. If he wants to make a change LIT has a great police academy. Raising a fist or taking a knee only brings out more racism on one side of the argument or the other. Showing respect to each other (which includes police officers and our military) would go a long way in solving this problem.

[Dracula]

Earp is like Nuke Laloosh from bull durham.....1 nice pass but the next 5 may end up anywhere...off the scoreboard,in the band, on top of montagne center.

 

Now that's funny. I don't care who you are.

[jlh]

I'm sure taking a knee or holding up a fist is just as unpatriotic as Oliver North selling our weapons to Iran & still being able to be in Politics right?? I'm All for punishing the kids if it's a violation of Team or School rules, if not please save the Drama. Calling a kid Racist without knowing the content of his character is way out of line. It boggles my mind how some folks can make this assumption from a social stance of an individual. I'm offended by the statement and he's not my kid. Seems to me that a few Season ticket holders feel as if they can run the Program because they purchased tickets. Just don't buy any and move on. Since many of you have all the answers, why weren't you informed of Woodard's response to the Anthem he made many weeks ago. My Wife & I buy Season tickets even though our Son is allotted 4 tickets. We did it to Support the program. Our Son stands for the Anthem & respects the Sacrifices many have made for him to get an Education & play a kid's sport he Loves. After the cheering is done for the night & he doesn't have his uniform on anymore & has to go back into normal society, I can't Lie, we are a little concerned about if he ever gets pulled over. That's just the Real World we live in right now. We All should be concerned about how this affects Families regardless of Race. Those lives lost was somebody's child. I'm Done with this subject for now.

 

I agree with you Bigcam. Calling a kid a racist is over the line. Sounds to me that if anyone was truly offended by this gesture by #4 that they may need to look at themselves. I don't think that #4 is bashing vets or even this great country. He is protesting social injustice which is obviously real for anyone who wants to actually look around and see. I don't agree with how #4 did it (protesting on the field) but I do agree with his cause.

[puddin tane]

I'm sure taking a knee or holding up a fist is just as unpatriotic as Oliver North selling our weapons to Iran & still being able to be in Politics right?? I'm All for punishing the kids if it's a violation of Team or School rules, if not please save the Drama. Calling a kid Racist without knowing the content of his character is way out of line. It boggles my mind how some folks can make this assumption from a social stance of an individual. I'm offended by the statement and he's not my kid. Seems to me that a few Season ticket holders feel as if they can run the Program because they purchased tickets. Just don't buy any and move on. Since many of you have all the answers, why weren't you informed of Woodard's response to the Anthem he made many weeks ago. My Wife & I buy Season tickets even though our Son is allotted 4 tickets. We did it to Support the program. Our Son stands for the Anthem & respects the Sacrifices many have made for him to get an Education & play a kid's sport he Loves. After the cheering is done for the night & he doesn't have his uniform on anymore & has to go back into normal society, I can't Lie, we are a little concerned about if he ever gets pulled over. That's just the Real World we live in right now. We All should be concerned about how this affects Families regardless of Race. Those lives lost was somebody's child. I'm Done with this subject for now.

 

sorry, dad. black power fist is racist, i dont care how you spin it.

 

Oliver North was at the game? musta missed that

[puddin tane]

and, as i said earlier...this can kill a program, especially a newer one.

[puddin tane]

now back to football and question for BigCam, since hes a defensive insider.

 

how is this 4-2-5 defense supposed to stop the run. NW rb (@ 212 lbs), outweighed 8 of our defensive players. Middle of the D is getting owned. is this supposed to be a speed beats strength theory? we got linebacker weight at DE. i just dont get it.

 

and...Wowkanyn in the dog house? and the safety transfer from TT/PAM?

[bigcam2903]

sorry, dad. black power fist is racist, i dont care how you spin it.

 

Oliver North was at the game? musta missed that

 

You & I have had words before, so you know how I roll. The fact that someone called the kid racist is absurd, but that's my opinion. Just as yours is an opinion. No laws have been broken so protesting in Peace is a Right. You know what I mean about North, but typically like sarcastic computer gangsters, you won't touch that.

[bigcam2903]

now back to football and question for BigCam, since hes a defensive insider.

 

how is this 4-2-5 defense supposed to stop the run. NW rb (@ 212 lbs), outweighed 8 of our defensive players. Middle of the D is getting owned. is this supposed to be a speed beats strength theory? we got linebacker weight at DE. i just dont get it.

 

and...Wowkanyn in the dog house? and the safety transfer from TT/PAM?

 

You're exactly right about this Mr Tane, I think my son is a heck of a DB, but I told him there's no way a DB stops my power back from gaining at least 5 yds per carry. I don't like this Defense. Not to mention not many on Defense are making tackles at the point of attack or many tackles for loss. See just because we don't agree on some things, as long as the lines of communication remain open we may find something in common and keep some sort of dialogue going and maybe find common ground. Until then, we can agree to disagree in a respectful way Sir. If I have offended you, my sincere apologies. I'm human & a Man & can own up to my shortcomings. Good day

[geezer]

Is the issue that LU doesn't have the correct mix of personnel to staff the 4-2-5 up front or just poor execution up front. I remember several years ago when one of the major programs in the state started to change their offensive scheme and it didn't work very well because the personnel was recruited for the old scheme and had trouble making the transition.

[puddin tane]

You're exactly right about this Mr Tane, I think my son is a heck of a DB, but I told him there's no way a DB stops my power back from gaining at least 5 yds per carry. I don't like this Defense. Not to mention not many on Defense are making tackles at the point of attack or many tackles for loss. See just because we don't agree on some things, as long as the lines of communication remain open we may find something in common and keep some sort of dialogue going and maybe find common ground. Until then, we can agree to disagree in a respectful way Sir. If I have offended you, my sincere apologies. I'm human & a Man & can own up to my shortcomings. Good day

 

prepare to have your mind blown----- we also have the same opinion of Oliver North

[PeckEm]

I'm sure taking a knee or holding up a fist is just as unpatriotic as Oliver North selling our weapons to Iran & still being able to be in Politics right?? I'm All for punishing the kids if it's a violation of Team or School rules, if not please save the Drama. Calling a kid Racist without knowing the content of his character is way out of line. It boggles my mind how some folks can make this assumption from a social stance of an individual. I'm offended by the statement and he's not my kid. Seems to me that a few Season ticket holders feel as if they can run the Program because they purchased tickets. Just don't buy any and move on. Since many of you have all the answers, why weren't you informed of Woodard's response to the Anthem he made many weeks ago. My Wife & I buy Season tickets even though our Son is allotted 4 tickets. We did it to Support the program. Our Son stands for the Anthem & respects the Sacrifices many have made for him to get an Education & play a kid's sport he Loves. After the cheering is done for the night & he doesn't have his uniform on anymore & has to go back into normal society, I can't Lie, we are a little concerned about if he ever gets pulled over. That's just the Real World we live in right now. We All should be concerned about how this affects Families regardless of Race. Those lives lost was somebody's child. I'm Done with this subject for now.

 

I'm trying again. I guess I'm having wifi issues. Will respond tomorrow

[PeckEm]

You & I have had words before, so you know how I roll. The fact that someone called the kid racist is absurd, but that's my opinion. Just as yours is an opinion. No laws have been broken so protesting in Peace is a Right. You know what I mean about North, but typically like sarcastic computer gangsters, you won't touch that.

 

Black power fist is racist. If you don't see that I don't know what to tell you. So, yes, I called him racist. Just as I would if someone wore a Kkk sheet or a white power shirt.

 

Computer gangster?? Idk I'm a CPA, I guess that's pretty gangster. If your implying I'm hiding behind a username/computer:

Brian McClelland

I'll pm you my address and phone number if you'd like.

 

Anyway, I'm going to respond to your other post tomorrow when I have better internet service.

[puddin tane]

Is the issue that LU doesn't have the correct mix of personnel to staff the 4-2-5 up front or just poor execution up front. I remember several years ago when one of the major programs in the state started to change their offensive scheme and it didn't work very well because the personnel was recruited for the old scheme and had trouble making the transition.

 

i cant figure out why anyone would even attempt a pass against us. hell, 5,6,7 yards a handoff? we cant stop it. 240 lb DE? In college? I just dont get it one lil bit.

 

if i'm the other teams OC and i look at our size, i'd run it down our throats. (and i hate running).

[Dracula]

I agree with you Bigcam. Calling a kid a racist is over the line. Sounds to me that if anyone was truly offended by this gesture by #4 that they may need to look at themselves. I don't think that #4 is bashing vets or even this great country. He is protesting social injustice which is obviously real for anyone who wants to actually look around and see. I don't agree with how #4 did it (protesting on the field) but I do agree with his cause.

 

I was at Lamar in the early 70's. Every day, the Iranian kids sat at a table, in the Setzer Center lobby, passing out literature and protesting the Shah of Iran. Their protest never

involved Lamar, in any way. If you want to protest something that is the way to do it. If #4 wants to protest social injustice go sit at a table and have at it. But, by what right does he

have to put on that uniform and involve Lamar? Why would he want to put on that uniform and involve Lamar? And, since I am stepping neck deep in it, someone define for me what

is social injustice?

[PeckEm]

I'm sure taking a knee or holding up a fist is just as unpatriotic as Oliver North selling our weapons to Iran & still being able to be in Politics right?? I'm All for punishing the kids if it's a violation of Team or School rules, if not please save the Drama. Calling a kid Racist without knowing the content of his character is way out of line. It boggles my mind how some folks can make this assumption from a social stance of an individual. I'm offended by the statement and he's not my kid. Seems to me that a few Season ticket holders feel as if they can run the Program because they purchased tickets. Just don't buy any and move on. Since many of you have all the answers, why weren't you informed of Woodard's response to the Anthem he made many weeks ago. My Wife & I buy Season tickets even though our Son is allotted 4 tickets. We did it to Support the program. Our Son stands for the Anthem & respects the Sacrifices many have made for him to get an Education & play a kid's sport he Loves. After the cheering is done for the night & he doesn't have his uniform on anymore & has to go back into normal society, I can't Lie, we are a little concerned about if he ever gets pulled over. That's just the Real World we live in right now. We All should be concerned about how this affects Families regardless of Race. Those lives lost was somebody's child. I'm Done with this subject for now.

 

Ok. Where to start. First, who mentioned Oliver North? What does he have to do with anything? It's totally unrelated. What he did was absolutely wrong. And, no, he shouldn't be in politics. He probably should be in prison. But, again that has nothing to do with any of this.

 

Second, that's part of my point. It should be a violation of team rules. And like I said earlier, the black power fist is a racist gesture. Since apparently you are calling ME out for saying that, that's why I called the kid racist. If I see someone wearing a white power shirt (do those even exist?) or KKK sheets, I would call those people racist. Offended, sorry. I'm offended by him standing and by him giving the black power fist. And I’m offended by the other kid kneeling and disrespecting the flag/country and all those who’ve fought and died for it. And I'm offended by you defending them...so save your drama.

 

Third, you don't think season ticket holders matter? That's fine. I guess we'll see if money is needed to run a program. Or who knows, maybe people will admire what they are doing and the next game will be a sellout.

 

Fourth, I'm glad your son stands for the anthem. And I'm glad that he's grateful for what he has. That's part of what makes me so upset about the whole deal (some people don't realize how good they have it, nor do they have any clue as to what real oppression is.) And I'm proud to see all of the other kids on the team doing the right thing. That's probably the largest thing that makes it difficult for me to say that I won't attend any more games and will not renew my tickets. But, when these kids put on that uniform they are representing the team and they are representing the University. If the team and the University let it happen then that tells me either they don't care or they support what they're doing. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their opinion and to do what they think is right. And I have the right to mine and to do what I think is right. I won't support a team that allows players to disrespect the flag/our country.

 

I've been a season ticket holder every year since the university brought football back. I'm an LU alum and proud of it. When I support the football team I support everyone. I cheer for everyone. I don't care if the players are black, white, yellow, purple, brown, green or whatever. I want everyone of them to play well and for the team to play well. But, I can't help but wonder, what if some of the players held up a white power sign during the anthem? Would that be tolerated? Would everyone be so understanding (I'd certainly hope not)? Would that kid be labeled a racist (I'd imagine so)? Would the team not say or do anything? They'd all be ok with it? But giving the black power fist is totally acceptable? Things that come to mind...double standard, hypocrite, etc. Even so, it's not only the black power fist that bothers me, the kneeling is almost as bad. Yes, it's "peaceful" but that doesn't make it right. There is a time and place for everything. I don't think the national anthem (especially in your team uniform) is the time nor the place.

 

And let me be perfectly clear, I absolutely love going to the games. I love rooting for the kids. I love college football and the opportunities it provides for so many young people. I didn't buy 6 season tickets because my kids played (they weren't very good athletes). I didn't buy them just to watch football, hell that's on every channel dang near every day. I bought them to support Lamar University. I bought them to support the kids who are either from here or move here who are blessed with the opportunity to play college football and receive a free education in return. I bought them out of respect for those kids working their tail off every day to be their best and to put a successful team on the field. I bought them because I think college football is good for our entire community.

 

I have several friends who are police officers and others who've served in the military. This belief that police officers are targeting "people of color" and even worse, intentionally killing them is total bs. It is race baiting, liberal media hype. Yes, I've seen the videos. Yes there have been some isolated incidents that look very bad. But, news flash, we are dealing with individuals in very difficult situations. If you expect everyone to be perfect then these protests will continue for eternity. There is not some great American conspiracy to oppress anyone. I could throw out a ton of actual, FACTUAL statistics but the race baiting, cop haters don't care about actual facts. Hell, I've been stopped by the police at least a dozen times...maybe they are targeting me?! (or maybe I shouldn't speed, or run a stop sign, or drive with expired registration, or I should wear a seat belt). Just last week, a white kid (young man)was shot and killed in Beaumont by an off duty police officer. Should there be riots and protests for that? Or, maybe all people are oppressed now?

 

Some people say to ignore the protestors, that's fine. Some say what the protestors are doing is great, that's fine (I think that those people are crazy but, hey, what do I know). Apparently, the coach, A/D, and the university are ok with it. That's fine. I think the anthem is the one time that we can all get together and show a little unity and respect for a great (albeit imperfect) country and for all those who've fought and died for it. I also THINK that a lot of people in this country have no idea how blessed they are AND I think there is a small group that wants to keep trying to divide the country. Furthermore, I think there are individuals who want to keep making excuses for why he or she is not successful rather than taking personal accountability for it. And regardless of what everyone else thinks or does I will do what I think is right. If you can’t show some restraint/respect for 60 seconds then I have no use for you. So, I'm done with my insignificant support until it stops.

 

Good luck to you and your son. I hope he has a great career at LU.

[PeckEm]

Is the issue that LU doesn't have the correct mix of personnel to staff the 4-2-5 up front or just poor execution up front. I remember several years ago when one of the major programs in the state started to change their offensive scheme and it didn't work very well because the personnel was recruited for the old scheme and had trouble making the transition.

 

Great question. I do know that the linemen aren't making any plays. And I thought anytime you went with 4 linemen they should be making plays.

[eagle eye]

Earp is like Nuke Laloosh from bull durham.....1 nice pass but the next 5 may end up anywhere...off the scoreboard,in the band, on top of montagne center.

 

That is about as funny a thing as I've seen in a long time. Bravo, puddin tane!

 

As for the whole protest thing. It's offensive to me the disrespect of the National Anthem. Kaepernick's original protest was over police killing black people and his inference was that he won't honor a country that tolerates police killing black people without going to jail for it. The incidents that sparked all the Black Lives Matter hoopla were the shootings of black men in Arkansas and Wisconsin. Time has shown in both instances the police were justified in their action. In both cases the men involved were armed and refused to comply with the police requests to get out of the car and show their hands. One of the men was coming from an armed robbery. Black lives matter, so do Hispanic, Asian and, yes, even white lives matter even the police lives who were lost by cowardly acts of ambush and sniper fire after the killings in Arkansas and Wisconsin went viral. There are not nearly as many unjustified killings by police as is being portrayed but racial profiling exists and it's a shame but I would wager it's because most of the criminals police have to deal with are young minority men. It's not a race thing, it's an economic thing. If you're poor, and live in urban blight you commit crime to survive. It is a proven fact. It's not the only choice these folks have but it is often the easiest choice. Sometimes being in a gang is the only way a kid can survive his childhood. That is the shame but it's left to the cops to be the only line of defense for everyone else. I would love to see Colin Kaepernick or #4 have to make a traffic stop at 2 o'clock in the morning when he is all alone to get a taste of the fear and anticipation police face every single day. That's why I get offended at the kneeling and the upraised fist. Not because of any disrespect to the flag or our country but to the cops who are in harm's way every day. There are bad cops who get away with doing bad stuff but there are also good cops who are forced to do things just to stay alive.

The Kaepernicks all the way down to #4 have a right to protest. I do not agree with what they protest about but it is a right fought for by the military so we continue to have those freedoms other countries don't have. Military people may not like it but they won't deny their right to voice, or demonstrate, their opinion. I like the way teams like the Seattle Seahawks chose to show their feelings. The whole team locked arms and posted prior to the first time they did it that they chose to show unity for a peaceful solution to society's problems. Their contention was, only by putting aside hate and prejudice were the world's problems going to be solved. I'm all in on that and if players stand for the Anthem with their arms interlocked I'm completely in on that.

The thing that is most disturbing about the protest isn't the protest itself, it is the fact that none of these players from the pros down to what ever level this behavior gets to doesn't offer a solution. Not once have I heard anyone but the Seahawks offer a solution. Don't like something, protest it. Fine, but don't just bitch about the situation, offer a solution, otherwise you're just part of the problem. Players have the right to protest, even if we don't like what they say. That is a fundamental right as an American to be able to peacefully protest injustice whether it is real or perceived. It is your right as an American citizen and shame on you if you don't see that. You may not know what it's like to have your friends gunned down in drive-by shootings or murdered on the street and some even lost friends to police shootings. Justified or not, people they know are dead so we need to try to understand where that comes from. I would much rather see a move to eliminate gangs from the cities neighborhoods. Help encourage a situation where education is more important than it is right now. Far more young minority people die as a result of gang violence than are killed by cops but the cops are the target cuz they're not from "the hood". People are free to not buy season tickets. That's their right and their way to protest. Just like it's a player's right to speak or gesture out against police brutality. I don't have to like either form of protest but I have respect the right both have to protest. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee we will like what people say but they have the right to say it in any way they want to say it as long as it doesn't cause harm in any way to others. And just to be clear, being pissed off isn't causing harm. All this from a guy who may become Canadian if Hilary Clinton becomes president.

Edited October 19, 2016 by eagle eye

[geezer]

My gut tells me to stay clear of what this discussion has become, but what I see by and large is a media inspired event. Why did the media need to make Kapernick's not standing for the National Anthem an issue. Had they ignored it and not shown it, probably nobody would have really noticed or if they did they would have just wondered why and once he figured he was getting no attention it would have just gone away. I tend to agree that college coaches should see to it that everyone on the team acts in the most appropriate way or is disciplined.

[coachacola]

Why I don't like about the NFL is that they'll fine a guy for putting an authorized number, sticker, or some other minor thing on their uniform, but if a player protests the national anthem then they're a-ok with it. Players can protest on their own time, but when they bring it to work (which is what these players are doing) then it's going to hurt the NFL. Ratings are already down so it's just stupid on the part of the NFL to let this happen.

 

Same with college. LU doesn't make money on football, it's mostly some big donors, students and ticket holders paying for it. If LU lets the players do things that the people who support the program don't like then it's going to kill the program. It's not like LU has tons of fans to begin with.

 

LU let Pat Knight crap all over the basketball program and take the money and run. Woodard isn't that different. He won't rock any boats. He'll schmooze the right people and just barely win enough games so he doesn't get fired. That's the LU way!