KABrother88 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Kickoff set for 6:00 PM Saturday against the Central Arkansas Bears at Estes Stadium in Conway, Arkansas Lamar Game Notes | Central Arkansas Game Notes | Live Stats | Video | Audio | Tickets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu cards Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 this is the game where we find out how bad this team wants to be a player in the southland.win and we have a decent chance of making the playoffs.lose and were out.have to figure a way to stop the run.the dl has been a major disappointment this year imo.they have to step up for us to have a chance this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABrother88 Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 I think the DL is dealing with some depth issues. The scheme switch combined with 4 players from the last 2 recruiting class not being here anymore (3 left either shortly after/just prior to arriving and another didn't qualify) is rearing its head. Then let's not forget our All-SLC DE Larance Hale was removed from the team prior to the season. This offseason we had 4 guys, some seeing alot playing time, switch to the DL (1 OL, 1 TE and 2 LBs). Also, some of our DTs and switching from a 3-4 DE that they played last season. We have 3 freshman playing lots of snaps and 1 of them (Crosley) has emerged as a starter. I was a big fan of him when he committed but didn't expect him to be seeing as much playing time as he has gotten. Not making excuses because yes the DL has not played well but these are the reason I believe we are seeing these issues. DL is an absolute priority for this recruiting class due to these issues combined with losing 6 to graduation this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachacola Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Central Arkansas is #2 in the conference in run offense but #6 in pass offense. LU is last in run defense but first in pass defense. LU is #4 in run offense (but Harrington is out) and #9 in pass offense. Central Arkansas is #1 in rush defense and #3 in pass defense. Langston better be very creative for this game and Earp's going to need to make some big plays on offense. On defense maybe Langley can run a few interceptions back for TDs. LU struggles against good defensive teams and outside of UH, this will be the best defense they'll face all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I think the DL is dealing with some depth issues. The scheme switch combined with 4 players from the last 2 recruiting class not being here anymore (3 left either shortly after/just prior to arriving and another didn't qualify) is rearing its head. Then let's not forget our All-SLC DE Larance Hale was removed from the team prior to the season. This offseason we had 4 guys, some seeing alot playing time, switch to the DL (1 OL, 1 TE and 2 LBs). Also, some of our DTs and switching from a 3-4 DE that they played last season. We have 3 freshman playing lots of snaps and 1 of them (Crosley) has emerged as a starter. I was a big fan of him when he committed but didn't expect him to be seeing as much playing time as he has gotten. Not making excuses because yes the DL has not played well but these are the reason I believe we are seeing these issues. DL is an absolute priority for this recruiting class due to these issues combined with losing 6 to graduation this year. aw bs! Miles, Carroll, Adams, Couron, Tebo, Wowkanyn, all returning....freshman Crosley is playing cuz he earned it. Depth isnt the issue. Talent is the issue. The DC is the issue. 230 pound DE in college is the issue. 4-2-5 is the issue. who the hell gets a DC from Texas Tech?? They havent played defense in decades. Edited October 20, 2016 by puddin tane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracula Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 in my own inexperienced and probably worthless opinion, Lamar needs its own version of Dink and Dak this week. Quick short passes across the middle, nothing down and out, very few vertical. Roll Earp out to one side or the other, do not stand in the pocket. As a slot receiver, Kendrick King should be catching a ton of balls this week assuming Earp can get them their. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 in my own inexperienced and probably worthless opinion, Lamar needs its own version of Dink and Dak this week. Quick short passes across the middle, nothing down and out, very few vertical. Roll Earp out to one side or the other, do not stand in the pocket. As a slot receiver, Kendrick King should be catching a ton of balls this week assuming Earp can get them their. in my own worthless opinion, we need to chunk it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABrother88 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 aw bs! Miles, Carroll, Adams, Couron, Tebo, Wowkanyn, all returning....freshman Crosley is playing cuz he earned it. Depth isnt the issue. Talent is the issue. The DC is the issue. 230 pound DE in college is the issue. 4-2-5 is the issue. who the hell gets a DC from Texas Tech?? They havent played defense in decades. So you mention 6 guys returning, 1 of which only play 1.5 games last year before he had a major knee injury and wasn't even released until right before the season after camp started. To be an effective front 4 you have to have a 2-deep that has very little drop off when the 2s are in and you need to be 3 deep at all positions for the rigors of the season. We are scraping for 2 much less 3. That would be a depth issue. A 230 lbs DE at the FCS level is not that out of the ordinary...here are the weights for McNeese's DE 2-Deep: 204 212 224 215 Curious about last year when they had one of the top defenses in the country? 238 211 240 232 And guess what...they run a 4-2-5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABrother88 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Football Faces Showdown Against Ranked UCA Two of the Southland Conference hottest teams will square off Saturday in Conway, Ark. when Lamar University travels to No. 20 Central Arkansas. The game matches a streaking LU squad (3-3/3-1 Southland) that has bounced back from an 0-3 start, while the Bears have won four straight since a loss to Samford. "Central Arkansas is playing as good as anyone in the nation," said LU head coach Ray Woodard. "I'm very impressed with what (head coach) Steve Campbell has done up there. Offensively, their quarterback is doing a great job running and throwing the ball. Their two running backs have combined for 700 yards and they have some very talented receivers. On the flip side, their defensive is playing as well as anyone. They do a very good job in the secondary as well. They are a very good football team." The Cardinals enter Saturday in a three-way tie for third place only a game back of Central Arkansas in the loss column. LU enters the week in a tie with Southeastern Louisiana and Nicholls (who LU still has on the schedule), while UCA is one of only two remaining undefeated teams (Sam Houston State) remaining in the standings. Full Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) So you mention 6 guys returning, 1 of which only play 1.5 games last year before he had a major knee injury and wasn't even released until right before the season after camp started. To be an effective front 4 you have to have a 2-deep that has very little drop off when the 2s are in and you need to be 3 deep at all positions for the rigors of the season. We are scraping for 2 much less 3. That would be a depth issue. A 230 lbs DE at the FCS level is not that out of the ordinary...here are the weights for McNeese's DE 2-Deep: 204 212 224 215 Curious about last year when they had one of the top defenses in the country? 238 211 240 232 And guess what...they run a 4-2-5... dont they/did they have Isaiah Golden? in between prison stays? Or is he a DT? He weighs in about 350 is that this years team? that just got pasted at home? Edited October 21, 2016 by puddin tane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 So you mention 6 guys returning, 1 of which only play 1.5 games last year before he had a major knee injury and wasn't even released until right before the season after camp started. To be an effective front 4 you have to have a 2-deep that has very little drop off when the 2s are in and you need to be 3 deep at all positions for the rigors of the season. We are scraping for 2 much less 3. That would be a depth issue. A 230 lbs DE at the FCS level is not that out of the ordinary...here are the weights for McNeese's DE 2-Deep: 204 212 224 215 Curious about last year when they had one of the top defenses in the country? 238 211 240 232 And guess what...they run a 4-2-5... we have very little drop off in the 2 deep... the starters are just as bad as their backups. Thats a talent issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABrother88 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 dont they/did they have Isaiah Golden? in between prison stays? Or is he a DT? He weighs in about 350 is that this years team? that just got pasted at home? They still have Golden...he is a DT and these weights are only for the 4 guys in their 2-deep at ends. I included last years team under this years. Last season they had one of the top overall and rush defenses in all of FCS. You claim that you can't be successful with 230 lbs DEs...and maybe you're right...their four from last year averaged out to 230.25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCABEAR Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Good morning Cardinal fans! Hope some of you can make it to Conway this weekend. It's beautiful up here. The temps are slowly dropping, the leaves are turning beautiful yellow and orange, and the university is making dedications of new buildings and the events for homecoming are hyped today! Some notes from fans: UCA runs the ball an average 50+ times per game. 332 times in 6 games. We use 4-6 RBs depending on what defense is presented. We have bulls and jitterbugs in the backfield. UCA has dramatically reduced the number of times we throw the ball..why? Well, our ground game has been very productive in yardage PLUS it eats the clock up so potent offenses can't get on the field. Our Oline is mixed with both young and some players have some experience. We lost all but ONE of them last year. But as you can clearly see the new guys are making an immediate impact. The defensive line has been in the backfields of opponents enough to get double digit sacks BUT more importantly they are VERY disruptive to the plays of opponents even if they don't get the QB. But the two important things on this team remain: 1. The team has chemistry. They coach each other constantly on the sidelines. They learn from their mistakes and make each other better. UCA has very few statistical leaders because its by committee. You won't hear one RB complain he's not getting big numbers. 2. We finally have a coach that teaches the basics to our lines. He believes the battles are won on the lines and our recent success has proven that. His very first practice I was watching from the stands and I watched him personally take the arms and hands of his linemen and place them in the exact positions they needed to be to optimize their plays. Yeah, they should have known all that stuff before college, but many of our players are from small schools in Arkansas, Louisiana, etc..that may not have had the staffs to teach those kind of things. His coaching has paid off. Plus if you get the opportunity to watch him on the sideline even after a score for example, he re-grounds the players to remember the clock hasn't hit ZERO yet. Stay in the game. If you had the opportunity to watch our loss vs. Samford, you could see exactly that. I fear we may lose him in the near future. Guy knows his stuff and has the pedigree to back it up. But we'll enjoy it while we can! Here's to both teams playing a safe game, stay healthy, and if you're coming to Conway, enjoy your visit. If you have any questions about where to stay and what to do, just let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCABEAR Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Coach Campbell talks about the Lamar team and the upcoming game: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCABEAR Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 The video above was filmed on Monday when all the Harrington information hadn't been released yet. As you can see from his remarks he not only respects Lamar but he is preparing for Lamar's best effort. He names players on your team that are offensive and defensive threats. Good info for the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcam2903 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 The video above was filmed on Monday when all the Harrington information hadn't been released yet. As you can see from his remarks he not only respects Lamar but he is preparing for Lamar's best effort. He names players on your team that are offensive and defensive threats. Good info for the fans. We will arrive in a few hrs, where can we get some good local favorite eats before the game?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckEm Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 So you mention 6 guys returning, 1 of which only play 1.5 games last year before he had a major knee injury and wasn't even released until right before the season after camp started. To be an effective front 4 you have to have a 2-deep that has very little drop off when the 2s are in and you need to be 3 deep at all positions for the rigors of the season. We are scraping for 2 much less 3. That would be a depth issue. A 230 lbs DE at the FCS level is not that out of the ordinary...here are the weights for McNeese's DE 2-Deep: 204 212 224 215 Curious about last year when they had one of the top defenses in the country? 238 211 240 232 And guess what...they run a 4-2-5... Sorry, I agree with puddin. It's talent and coaching. First, they aren't playing wokaynin enough (sorry I don't know how to spell his name and I don't want to look it up). Second, Tebo used to make plays and this year he's non existent. 3). Three deep?? Are you kidding me. The two deep is a stupid new fad. If you are in football shape you shouldn't come out. If your the ear player you play. Teams don't swap out offensive linemen every other play. Shouldn't they be tired? 4) teams run it down our throats from play one. 5) since we are getting pushed around so much we need to run blitz more. 5) I you have a special athlete who is 230 lbs he might be able to get by playing defensive end but my guess is that's the exception and not the norm. At times it looks like (based on size) we are playing a 2-0-9. So, it's no surprise to me that wears defending the pass well but can't stop the run. If there aren't major defensive adjustments this could be very ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I think it's combination of all the things mentioned. For whatever reason defensive linemen do get subbed for more than offensive at all levels, even the pro's sub for their top linemen some during a game. Both size and talent are factors, but coaching and execution are critical. If you don't have the personnel to successfully play the 4-2-5 then you shouldn't be playing that defense, at least not all the time. Tebo was the nose man last year in the 34 defense and unless there is some other issue the performance this year would seem to indicate he is a better defender from the nose than from the tackle. I'm an old guy but when I played we would switch up defenses during based on what the other teams strengths were. We used the same players for the most part but used different fronts to match up with the offense for our best success. From what I have observed the 4-2-5 seems to be a better front when playing a passing team but the 3 man front might be better against a team that wants to run the ball up the gut the way Northwestern St did against Lamar. To me the best coaches make their schemes fit the talent they have when they come in while recruiting what they will need to run what they want in the future. UCA by their own coaches statements is a run first team and LU better have a plan to stop the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABrother88 Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 Defensive lineman exert more energy on average than offensive lineman per play...then factor in the uptempo offenses and you have to get fresh bodies in there. The offensive game has changed drastically in the last few years and teams are running 80+ plays in a game. If you read my comment I said you need a 3 deep for the rigors of a season. Didn't say you needed every game...but if you have a guy go down you can't expect the replacement to never come off the field. Look I'm not saying talent isn't an issue...but you know what...every coach in the country would tell you off the record they could use more talent...i just feel we have more issues with depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Lamar has a good start as they take the opening kickoff and have a good drive that stalls out resulting in a 30 yard fg. Now can the defense step up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 dang..we're passing! whos calling the plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Well it wasn't a dominant start for the defense, but after a few first downs they did hold UCA on fourth down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 LU goes three and out on their second possession and Earp comes out of the game with a possible injury to his throwing arm. We'll have to see if he comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddin tane Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 damn...UCA is passing! we pass , they pass....this may be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABrother88 Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 That was a lot of weight planted in Earps shoulder. Defense playing well so far...encouraging to see the 4th and 1 stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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